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04-28-2007 08:22 AM
tdw TJ - That's merely a scurrilous rumour. No truth in it whatsoever.

Sway - Could be the Rum I guess, could well be.

CD - That was just an excuse to post another picture of your BBQ wasn't it ?
04-27-2007 05:17 PM
Cruisingdad Hi Georgef,

Here are some thoughts:

1) Cruising is great. Cruising with a family is awesome. You have to get the wife and kiddos on board (both figuratively and literraly). Without them, it is just different scenery.

2) I have sailed out of Oxnard, Catalina Island, and SD. It is a nice area. Nice marinas. Lots of places to go and learn and still be challeneged. I would tell you to do something that sounds really wierd, but is fun and I think the whole family would enjoy (hopefully): Go to some boat shows!! Go sit on boats, walk on boats, talk to salesman and owners. Sit down below on a few of them and imagine yourself cruising. Get the dream into your wife and kids too.

3) As far as sailing schools, I honestly am not a huge fan of them. Two books that no boat should be without are Chapmans Piloting and Annapolis Book of Seamanship. If you really are hooked, you will read them from back to front.

4) As far as the better waste of money (haha), spend it on chartering or trips to boats versus courses. Take your wife and kids on a crewed boat (chartering). If you do not like it in the islands on vacation, you sure won't like it living aboard (though I would take me on my boat over ANY crewed boat... but you get the picture).

5) Hang around here and ask questions.

6) Crewing on a racer is not a bad idea. As a cruiser, it will teach you the n'th degree of trimming sails... but when you do cruise, you really won't care that much as long as they are decently trimmed. However, I doubt the wife will care much for it. The kids might.

7) Be prepared for the very high cos of boat ownership and boat purchase. Better budget in the low 6 figures pretty easily.

You will love cruising. Like SD said, it is not all drinks and sunsets, but it is beautiful. You will become closer to your family and naure than you could imagine possible. It is beautiful, here is a taste....

- CD

04-27-2007 04:41 PM
SB Sailing Center

Georgef, check the Santa Barbara Sailing Center. Great facility, good instructors. In a week or so you'll be a confident bareboater . It is both a school and a club. They also have charter boats where you can live while you learn. "Social" club sailing programs are great there, too.

Welcome To The Santa Barbara Sailing Center : Boat Rentals, Coastal, Sunset, Dinner & Whale Watching Cruises, Bareboat Charters, Channel Islands, Sailing School, And Much Much More!

Note that I have no business association with them, too . Just like the school and the club.

04-27-2007 12:46 PM
skrap1r0n I recently started sailing. Purchases my first boat a few months back and took it put, having never sailed, only reading about it. I read Chapman Piloting: Seamanship & Boat Handling front to back at least 5 or 6 times in the last 10 years, as well as a lot of other stuff.

Having never done it before, you cannot imagine how nervous I was the first time I pulled on the main halyard. A minute or two later, I cut the engine and raised the Genoa. Hearing that sail pop when it filled was more than enough to know I was finally doing something I needed.

This was the first step toward my dream of cruising. I still need to do as much crewing as possible, as well as take some certification classes, but this is year 1 of a 10 year plan.
04-27-2007 12:30 PM
Originally Posted by Idiens
He said he wanted to go cruising, you are suggesting race training, which requires crew, crew, crew (or be-yelled-at, be-yelled-at, be-yelled-at - 'cos that's what they do to be fast and hard - and win. (Ian's got the best idea, meet some friendly sailing people first).
I'm saying "crew-crew-crew" for the most instructive and rapid way to acquire the real-life skills every cruiser needs, particularly for boat and sail handling. He can offer to crew for cruisers on the weekends or holidays, by honestly saying "I have crewed at these positions in these many races on these types of boat", and therefore let them decide whether he's going to be a help or a hindrance.

Same with racing captains: Pick one that lets you cycle through the five or six critical positions on a race boat: grinder, tailer, foredeck/bowman, helm, mainsheet, tactician and/or navigator. Sail as much as possible and, after a few races, in challenging conditions. This will ingrain good habits of seamanship and will allow you to get the most out of whatever boat you get, even if it's a not-particularly-weatherly tub.

I raced for five years and loved it without necessarily wanting to do it myself (except maybe for a "cruiser" type race). I feel now quite relaxed in most conditions...because I've been in most conditions...(race skippers HATE to have a race called off due to heavy weather! They see 35 knots as "an opportunity", right, Giu?).

Racing has immensely enhanced my cruising, and made me notice that a lot of cruisers are strictly fair-weather (which is fine) and some who've had the same boat for years don't quite know how to sail them. That's fine, too...for fair-weather sailing.
04-27-2007 11:51 AM
georgef I hear you and I'm very aware of the greatest risk, finding out you are not that person and asking your self "what m i doing here???"
That's why I'm going trough a lot of investigation before I spend a dime. I use to sail "penguin class" as a kid down in Uruguay and actually enjoing being wet and miserable in the cold winter days in the south atlantic, the main differenc _ i have to admit _ is that now I'm a 45...and very spoiled. BTW I cannot go to wild since my main partner here is my 10 years old son,my wife and youngest already bailed bad for them! I'm not going to my grave without giving this a fair chance!
04-27-2007 11:45 AM
sailingdog It's all the rum that Sea Angel has been feeding him...
04-27-2007 11:22 AM
sailortjk1 When did they furry marsupial become so intelligent?
04-27-2007 11:11 AM
Originally Posted by Valiente
Crew, crew, crew.
He said he wanted to go cruising, you are suggesting race training, which requires crew, crew, crew (or be-yelled-at, be-yelled-at, be-yelled-at - 'cos that's what they do to be fast and hard - and win. (Ian's got the best idea, meet some friendly sailing people first).
04-27-2007 07:41 AM
sailingdog Well said fuzzy wombat... Unfortunately, too many magazines glorify the cruising lifestyle without showing the reality of it. It isn't all sipping mai-tais and watching a beautiful sunset at a remote anchorage.

Even on a new boat, you're going to be modifying the way it is setup, fixing things as they break, doing preventative maintenance on things, and you'd be surprised at how much time all of that takes up.

Of course, inspecting and maintaining the bits and pieces of your boat earn you points for the black box... and if you take care of your boat, it is far more likely that she will take care of you when the weather goes really bad and you're too far from shore to make it in safely....
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