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03-28-2014 01:32 PM
SloopJonB
Re: There goes another DX order...

You forgot about making up new rules. They have to keep making up new ones to ensure the jobs for the boys continue.
03-28-2014 10:28 AM
billyruffn
Re: There goes another DX order...

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Originally Posted by PCP View Post

I hope this incident will draw the attention of EC bureaucrats to the danger that this situation poses to navigation, specially to fishing boats and pleasure boats.
My guess is the only concern EU bureaucrats have re pleasure boats is the collection of VAT.
03-28-2014 12:47 AM
TakeFive
Re: There goes another DX order...

Ever since flight 370 crashed, I've been predicting to my friends that they will find thousands of pieces of debris that are unrelated to the plane. My hope was that people might actually start to ask where all this debris comes from, and publicize the problem of lost containers.

So far my prediction of finding massive debris fields has proven true. Unfortunately, everyone is obsessed with the "latest siting" hundreds of miles away from yesterday's "old news" and not paying any attention to the dangers posed by these debris fields.
02-22-2014 03:01 PM
SloopJonB
Re: There goes another DX order...

It's called cost/benefit and risk analysis and corporations have big teams of actuaries, lawyers etc. who do nothing but it.

If fixing a deadly flaw in a product will cost $50 million and the analysts determine that the wrongful death suits will cost $35 million - guess what doesn't get fixed.

In the corporate world, the ONLY thing that matters is money. Any question, problem, practice - you name it - comes down to the money, first, last & always.

Thinking about things like conscience, responsibility, right & wrong and other such personal traits in relation to corporations is pointless - they are the definition of psychopathic or sociopathic.

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a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
02-22-2014 12:50 PM
Group9
Re: There goes another DX order...

Think about how much stuff you buy at the store, that is wrapped in plastic, and displaces so little that it would be very buoyant if placed in the water. Then think about a container full of something like that, and it's not hard to figure that it would take a long time to sink, even if it did have holes to let water into the container.

Container companies know there is little chance of one of their containers being traced back to them, after causing damage to some small boat. And, it's all about the dollars.

If a company knows it would cost less to pay for the amount of death and destruction they expect something they are responsible for to cause, than to fix the problem, guess what they are going to do?

They make decisions like this with their calculators, not with their hearts or consciences.
02-22-2014 01:31 AM
TakeFive
Re: There goes another DX order...

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Originally Posted by blt2ski View Post
You can get scales on ANY rig with lifting capacity that has hydraulics. Most shipping companies that take cargo for barges especially up and down the west coast here, the first thing the forklift operator does, is weigh the pallet or equal you are dropping off. So they should be within w plus minus 5% at most what a given container weighs, assuming the wt of the container has ALL goods inside weights added up. Containers them selve have a tare on the outside......so should be fairly easy to be within the % I mentioned earlier.

marty
Sounds like you're saying what they SHOULD do, not what they actually do.

Tare weights are irrelevant here, because the container's weight has just as much influence on the ship's buoyancy as the materials in the container.
02-22-2014 12:44 AM
SailRedemption
Re: There goes another DX order...

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Originally Posted by SloopJonB View Post
Then why do they not seem to know the weights they are loading?
They do, but it's not required for them to check it before loading or to cross check it with the bill of Laden or cargo manifest. They are using million dollar cranes to load those containers trust me there is a scale.

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02-22-2014 12:42 AM
blt2ski
Re: There goes another DX order...

You can get scales on ANY rig with lifting capacity that has hydraulics. Most shipping companies that take cargo for barges especially up and down the west coast here, the first thing the forklift operator does, is weigh the pallet or equal you are dropping off. So they should be within w plus minus 5% at most what a given container weighs, assuming the wt of the container has ALL goods inside weights added up. Containers them selve have a tare on the outside......so should be fairly easy to be within the % I mentioned earlier.

marty
02-22-2014 12:27 AM
SloopJonB
Re: There goes another DX order...

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Originally Posted by BoatyardBoy View Post
They do.

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Then why do they not seem to know the weights they are loading?
02-22-2014 12:26 AM
SloopJonB
Re: There goes another DX order...

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Originally Posted by paulk View Post
Part of the problem is that, as the original article states, people think the containers are on the bottom of the ocean. If that were true, we (and Robert Redford) would have a lot less to worry about. Why can't containers have water-soluable plugs so they actually WOULD sink if they landed in the ocean?
They'd routinely dissolve from all the spray and humidity. They'd have to use hydrostatic pressure plugs like inflatable life vests. That would cost money and require periodic replacements - just like the vests.

In other words $$$$$ - like everything else in this world it always comes down to $$$$$.
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