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07-02-2007 11:52 PM
Looking
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Originally Posted by Sapperwhite
Looking,
Nope, but close. She is a Pacific Seacraft Orion. Funny thing is a new thread just popped up recently, "Shannon 28 vs. Orion 27" (or something to that affect).
That's funny... after hitting the Submit button I was second guessing myself thinking it was an Orion. Both beautiful boats. Congrats!
07-02-2007 07:28 PM
Sapperwhite Looking,
Nope, but close. She is a Pacific Seacraft Orion. Funny thing is a new thread just popped up recently, "Shannon 28 vs. Orion 27" (or something to that affect).

Another thing about taking courses is that you can work your way up to more serious things like 106, advanced coastal, and 108, offshore passage making. I don't know of other schools courses, but the school I mentioned earlier does a Delmarva circumnavigation for 106. For 108 they do Norfolk to Bermuda, or St. Thomas to Bermuda, either to or from each location. If you take 107 for celestial nav before taking 108, you can do the practical excersise portion, taking actual sights, during the cruise to get the 107 cert. Now, I haven't taken these upper level courses yet, but my uncle has, also through the Md. School of Sailing, and has nothing but great things to say of the experience and knowledge gained from them. So you can take it as far as you are willing to go (and afford $$$). There are many ways to learn new things about sailing, but my experience with this particular school has been nothing but positive.
07-02-2007 06:24 PM
Looking
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Thanks. She's a lot of work.
Sapper... is that a Shannon 28? Beautiful!
07-02-2007 06:16 PM
AlexandraH Bardo:

Try looking up US Sailing too. They are the equivalent to ASA excpet they are a not-for-profit organization and therefore the classes are a bit cheaper but instruction is just as good.

Alex
07-02-2007 03:14 PM
ReverendMike
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Originally Posted by ibn2it
"Also, making it up to the 104 is a bareboat charter cert. So, the ASA log will be your proof of training if you want to charter someday"

I have this cert. and I am interested in chartering in the near future. Does anyone know how much clout this carries with charter companies?

Thnks -

Ben
Ben

The Admiral and i each had up to 104 with a few dozen daysails in keelboats as the total of our experience, and we were allowed to charter, no problem.
-Did the fact that we both had the paper matter? Maybe, i don't know.
-Did the charter company ask the school? I would think so, but i don't know.
-Were we comfortable? Yes, but we had along a friend with lots of beachcat experience (but no papers), i had been reading everything sailing for years, and we were cautious.
-Did we have any problems? No, thankfully.
-Did they have our credit card as ransom? You bet your ar$e they did!

I suspect that last item is the one that truly matters

From a safety standpoint (your safety, that is) what really matters is what you actually retain and still understand from the classes once you let go the docklines.
07-02-2007 10:21 AM
Bardo All,
thanks for the input. I think I will challenge the 101 and take the 103. You are right that what I feel I need most is the passage making knowledge, navigation and logistical details. As an aviator, I understand the nav piece, but there is a whole book(s) of knowledge that I need to absorb to feel really competant. On the other hand, these things can be learned by taking short trips, which the bay is great for. Make my mistakes in sem-controlled circumstances. thanks again!
Freeman
06-30-2007 09:10 AM
ibn2it [quote= Also, making it up to the 104 is a bareboat charter cert. So, the ASA log will be your proof of training if you want to charter someday.quote]

I have this cert. and I am interested in chartering in the near future. Does anyone know how much clout this carries with charter companies?

Thnks -

Ben
06-29-2007 05:10 PM
nolatom I've taught ASA 101 for a while, and it's truly a "one room schoolhouse", wherein I teach whatever level an individual student needs to move ahead.

You, who's sailed for 3 years already, sounds like you might be ready for Basic Coastal Cruising. I'm betting you have the sailing skills, but need the piloting skills, to be a weekend cruiser.

Full disclosure: I teach the occasional ASA 101 course down here, so I'm probably prone to recommend the classes. Having said that, I never took any (because there weren't any) when I was growing up, and now I'm teaching them...
06-29-2007 01:04 PM
Sapperwhite "Sapperwhite, thats one heck of a nice looking boat you got there."

Thanks. She's a lot of work.

Crewing is a good choice too, but if Bardo has been sailing on small boats all his life he probably has the whole Sail Theory and Sail Techniques thing in his pocket. You probably will learn something new, or become more proficient at the things you already know, and for that it's a good, inexpensive choice. These ASA classes teach more regarding planning, passage making, nav, and understanding the equipment. It's somewhat more cruiser oriented. Also, making it up to the 104 is a bareboat charter cert. So, the ASA log will be your proof of training if you want to charter someday.

The reason that I recommended this particular school is the boats. A lot of other schools I had looked at started students out in a Cat Capri 22, and thats fine, but this schools smallest boat is an Island Packet 32. That makes a big difference as they let you sleep aboard, no hotel bills, and it's a comfy learning platform. It's also closer to what Bardo is sailing now, a 29. Also, the instructors are TOP notch people, really proficient and knowledgeable. The school has been mentioned a few times in Blue Water Sailing for their great classes. PS this is not spam, I am in no way, other than being a customer and student, a part of this organization.

I haven't been sailing for a long time like a lot of people on this board, but what I've learned through the Md school is a big confidence and competence booster.
06-29-2007 01:29 AM
sailingdog Also, if you're not a "racer" per se, the skills and techniques for optimizing sail trim will come in handy as a cruiser.
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