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Topic Review (Newest First)
07-06-2009 12:07 PM
jdep4382 Sabre 28 has a lot to offer. Good speed, stable, roomy for a 28, good construction.
11-27-2008 01:46 AM
artbyjody Damn it where is SD when ya need him Personally the requirements are met by a Barberis (good luck finding one in the states!!!)
11-27-2008 01:15 AM
geraldblizzard well?...what did you get?..I started reading this before I saw how old it was...
03-01-2008 07:31 PM
fixteeth I think I lucked into a good starter boat. I had never heard of Express Yachting, which was made in Canada in the 80's, but ended up buying an Express 30. It had fairly good cruising accomodations (propane stove/oven, icebox, enclosed head, comfortable sleeping for 5 with the quarterberth model), but also had a double spreader rod rig, 5.5 foot lead keel, and full racing rig. We raced it on the Chesapeake for 5 years where it had a PHRF rating of 144, and did fairly well. By the end of that time we were on the podium most of the time; the rating is very "fair" for this boat. And being a 30 foot boat the sails were fairly affordable. My wife wanted a bigger boat, so we splurged for a C&C 110 (which on the Chesapeake has the rediculous PHRF rating of 60). But I still miss my old Express 30. If you can find one, get it.
07-29-2007 11:15 AM
dumbguy
Quote:
Originally Posted by bestfriend View Post
How about a brand new boat that can sail the pants off anything in its class and sleeps four comfortably, is huge down below with all the bells and whistles, including a beer cooler, including sails and a retractable six foot keel for 50k?
Dam that sounds good... what is the name of that boat?
07-29-2007 10:05 AM
Sailormann
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Here are a couple local options...


27" CS 1977 25K (4 hrs away)
http://www.sunnybrookyachts.com/core...=syb&&ywo=syb&
27" C&C 1986 32.5 K (4 Hrs away)
http://www.sunnybrookyachts.com/core...=syb&&ywo=syb&
If you can get the name of the CS 27, then go to the CS Owners Association - CSOA Group at Yahoo - and look around to see if you can gather any of its history. You will also find a lot of general information about them there. It is definitely at the upper end of the going prices for the boat. But they are good boats.

Based on the information in the C&C 27 write-up - I think that it is overpriced at listing. Seems that the owner is wanting to recoup the expenditure he made on the new engine. Not a lot of other upgrades mentioned. A very common issue with these boats is delamination of the decks. Find out if and when it was recored, and if so, what core material was used.

I am still going to suggest that you contact a few Ontario boat owners and take a drive up here to look at what's available, for what price. The fall is a good time to do this, as boats will start getting cheaper in a couple of weeks from now.

This is a GREAT boat - seaworthy, fairly fast and very roomy:

Aloha 28 1978
Self furlling jib, steel cradle, winter cover, new cockpit cushions, custom dodger and bimini, autohelm 800. New VHF, all original manuals. 25# Plough anchor. Upgrades too numerous to mention.
CDN $17,000
(519) 843-1834

More C&C 27's:

C&C 27 1971
Totally refurbished. Recent upgrades: sails, interior, handrails, windows, overhauled Atomic IV, electronic ignition, hull peeled/water barrier applied. Other inventory: furling gear, MP3, dodger, cradle, etc. Free shipping to Toronto area. Photos available
CDN $19,000 neg
(519) 869-2568 evening
(519) 332-6779 x1 day
E-mail: k.tremblay@cogeco.ca


C&C 27 1972
Roller Furling, Auto-helm, wheel steering, Atomic 4 engine, cradle alcohol stove, 3 sails, VHF, 4 PFD. Berthed Bridgeview Marina, Sarnia.
CDN $15,800 neg
(519) 336-9154 evening
E-mail: jdsmith@ebtech.net


C&C 27 1973
Motivated to sell. Well-maintained. Cruising equipped. VHF, depth/speed, Force 10 BBQ. Matching dodger, awning, boom cover. New mainsail (1998), three headsails, spinnaker. Winter cover. Equipment list/photos available. REDUCED.
CDN $21,900 neg
(705) 759-3454
E-mail: wawatai1@sympatico.ca


C&C 27 1974
Very good condition. Wheel Steering. Fresh water boat until 2000. Professionally maintained: decks re-corred, Atomic IV rebuilt 1999. Newer: sails, teak/holly sole, through hulls, depth. Owner Motivated! Lying P.E.I
CDN $21,500 neg
(902) 432-1502 evening
E-mail: cstew@islandtelecom.com


C&C 27 MK1 1972
Exceptional cruising yacht in great shape. Many sails, spinnaker gear, Atomic IV, tiller steering, and much more. Call South shore Yachts Inc.
CDN $13,900
(905) 468-4340 Niagara
(905) 274-4340 Port Credit
Web: www.southshoreyachts.com


C&C 27 MKIII 1975
Awesome condition/fully loaded. Wheel steering, lots of sails, Harken furling, Autohelm, BBQ, Vari-fold prop, new batteries, stereo. Woodwork redone, folding cradle, Atomic IV, lazy jacks, Vetus filter. Engine professionally maintained. Awlgrip hull. Fast/reliable racer/cruiser. Lying Toronto.
CDN $24,490 obo
(416) 570-8422
E-mail: montross@sympatico.ca


C&C 27 MKV 1984
Classic design. In top condition. Very popular racer/cruiser, fully loaded. Fresh water vessel. Midland, Ontario. See website for specs.
CDN $25,900
(705) 435-6457 evening
(905) 951-5000 ext. 2635 day
Web: www.bmts.com/~turacz/Smoke


C&C 27 MKV 1985
Yanmar diesel, Harken furling, 5 sails including DRS, Bimini, Autohelm. Dual axle trailer included in price.
CDN $23,500 neg
(613) 498-2977 evening
E-mail: lcv@ripnet.com


C&C 27 MKV 1986
Popular sought after class racer/cruiser. A well-kept yacht with diesel power. For further information call Pat Sturgeon Yachts or visit our website.
CDN $28,500
(905) 278-5100
E-mail: sales@patsturgeonyachts.com
Web: www.patsturgeonyachts.com


Here is a CS 27 WITH TRAILER :

CS 27 1982
Yanmar diesel 8hp, self tailing winches, tiller, shoal draft, Harken furling, lazy jacks. Instruments, Teak Holly sole, VC17, four opening ports, cockpit cushions, Dodger, folding table. One owner. Double batteries. Selox tandem axle trailer never raced. Lying North Bay, On.
CDN $28,000 firm


This is a high-quality boat:

Mirage 29 1986
Meticulously maintained family cruiser/racer. Freshwater sailed. Roomy aft cabin design. Reliable Volvo diesel engine, full cruising and racing sail inventory, many upgrades. Equipped with roller furling, fully enclosed dodger/bimini, stove, fridge, two anchors, three props and two new batteries. Asking:
CDN $39,000 neg
(416) 359-4133 day
(416) 232-2725 evening
E-mail: frank.cantoni@bmo.com


These are pretty fast boats - inexpensive beacuse you can't stand up inside unless you are fairly short:

Viking 28
Great shape. Steel cradle. 9.9hp, dodger, radio, 120V/12V, folding table, teak and holly floor. Must well. Will take best offer. Lying Toronto Island. Best Offer.

(416) 951-4359 evening
E-mail: kevinc@atlindustries.com


Viking 28 1973
Racer/cruiser C&C design. 10hp Yanmar Marine diesel w/few hours. Four sails. Sleeps four. Steel cradle. Lying Southampton, ON.
CDN $6,000 neg
(519) 797-1818 evening
E-mail: donamy@bmts.com


Viking 28 1976
7HP gas. Wood finished interior, Autohelm, collapsing cradle, sink, head, alcohol stove, icebox, SSTL BBQ. Genoa 1-2-3 Storm, spinnaker, pool, main, furling. Knotmeter, depthsounder, Loran C, compass, VHF-25W, Radio/CD.
CDN $9,900 neg
(905) 561-2545 anytime


Viking 28 Sloop 1976
Great fast racer/cruiser. 4 berths, five sails, new main and storm jib, new battery, new cushions. 9.9 hp Johnson O/B w/few hours. Steel cradle. Looking for new owner.
CDN $6,900 neg
(416) 843-5790 cellular
(905) 813-9416 evening
E-mail: krze.woj@gmail.com


Now granted, I am a little biased, but if you are going to get a 30 foot boat, these are faster, better-built, and more fun than just about any other 30 foot cruising boat out there:

CS 30
Beautifully maintained, diesel, wing keel, full enclosure, 8 opening ports, epoxy bottom, cradle, refrigeration, BBQ, speed, depth, wind, autohelm.
CDN $55,000
(519) 469-3967 day
E-mail: lloyds@execulink.com


CS 30 1985
A most popular, fast cruiser. Furling, dodger, extensive sail inventory. Many new & upgrades items. Reduced. For further information call Pat Sturgeon Yachts or visit our website.
CDN $54,900
(905) 278-5100
E-mail: sales@patsturgeonyachts.com
Web: www.patsturgeonyachts.com


CS 30 1985
Volvo Penta 2002, 18hp diesel. Three sails: North main, #2, #3 genoas. Dodger, bimini, custom winter cover, frame. ST60 instruments, depth, speed, wind, Autohelm. Lying Southern Georgian Bay.
CDN $47,000 obo
(519) 986-1849 anytime
E-mail: kathy.nix@hotmail.com


CS 30 1985
Volvo 18hp diesel, North mainsail, #3 furling genoa, Datamarine S200 DL speed & depth, full enclosure, cockpit cushions, 2 burner stove, oven and assorted safety equipment. Contact Swans Yacht Sales, Pickering, ON.
CDN $49,750
(905) 420-2141
E-mail: info@swansyachtsales.com
Web: www.swansyachtsales.com


CS 30 1986
Shoal draft, dodger, steel cradle, Harken furling, Georgian Bay used only. Zodiac & outboard. Bay Harbour Yachts.
CDN $49,900
(705) 526-2222
E-mail: sales@bayharbouryachts.on.ca
Web: www.bayharbouryachts.on.ca


CS 30 1986
Volvo 18hp DSL, VHF, compass, shorepower, dodger, bimini and sailcover. Steel cradle, safety equipment, good sails inventory. Outstanding vessel! Listing #06T-04. Anchor Yacht Sales.
CDN $52,900
(905) 891-0191 office
E-mail: sales@anchoryachtsales.com
Web: www.anchoryachtsales.com


CS 30 1987
Main, jib, genoa, Harken furling, dodger, bimini, autopilot, wind speed, depth, stereo, CD, battery charger, VHF, Loran, refrigeration, stove/oven, BBQ, folding prop, inflatable opening ports.
CDN $57,500 neg
(905) 689-0946 evening
E-mail: ayrebhm@sympatico.ca


CS 30 1987
Excellent Condition. Includes new instruments, autohelm, CD Player. Sails include; #1, #3, FB Main. Dodger and cockpit table. Winter cradle and full canvas enclosure.
CDN $59,900 obo
(416) 356-2399 day
(905) 842-1079 evening
E-mail: davidcyr@cogeco.ca


CS 30 1987
Beautifully maintained and completely outfitted! Call Niagara-on-the-Lake Yacht Sales. Two from
CDN $56,500
(877) 624-6312 toll free
E-mail: mike@niagarayachtsales.com
Web: www.niagarayachtsales.com
07-29-2007 12:04 AM
bestfriend How about a brand new boat that can sail the pants off anything in its class and sleeps four comfortably, is huge down below with all the bells and whistles, including a beer cooler, including sails and a retractable six foot keel for 50k?
07-28-2007 11:47 PM
Zogumwesterly
Grampian 30

Hello Dumbguy?
Have you considered a Grampian 30? My boat is a 1973 and it does everything I want it to do. It sails to our local Tampa bay phrf rating of 177,(faster than a J-24 in most conditions), the boat has sailed to bermuda, mexico, venezuala, the bahamas and it still keeps going. There is a relatively strong owners group on yahoo groups. You can pick these boats up fairly reasonably priced turnkey and you can not kill these babies.
On our way to long boat key earlier this year we were hitting 9.5Kts surfing a 9' swell in about 25 knots true.

Peace,
Briggs
07-28-2007 08:42 PM
sailingfool
C&c 30

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikehoyt View Post
....the 30 is listed on kijiji It is owned by Dana Hunter and is basically a Like New boat. He is a boat builder and has brought in a bunch of C&C30 over the years to fix & resell. He has fixed and/or replaced everything on this boat and is now bored with it. I mean everything. New oven, new upholstery, new engine, new sails, new new new. He doesn't believe in the internet so you have to call him....
I owned a '77 C&C 30 20 years ago and it's still the favorite of the 7 boats I've owned - I may buy it back if the guy I sold it ever sells it.

The C&C 30 is simply a freaking awesome sailboat...It performs well in light or heavy air, and is reputed to be the stiffest boat C&C ever built, from my experience I believe that is true. Nothing breaks on it, I also think it has more room down below than the 33, including headroom to the v bearth.

Just a great boat, iIwould only compare a Tartan 30 to it, any other boat within a few feet of 30 in some way is not up to the C&C 30 (or T30...). Race it, cruise it, you will enjoy it and have the pride of owning a special boat.
07-27-2007 02:25 PM
mikehoyt do you have an email address? contact me at mike.hoyt@impgroup.com

the 30 is listed on kijiji It is owned by Dana Hunter and is basically a Like New boat. He is a boat builder and has brought in a bunch of C&C30 over the years to fix & resell. He has fixed and/or replaced everything on this boat and is now bored with it. I mean everything. New oven, new upholstery, new engine, new sails, new new new. He doesn't believe in the internet so you have to call him.

at the same location is the niagara and a tanzer 26 witha rebuilt Buhk deisel as well as a C&C32 and an aloha 27 all for sale.

Mike
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