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03-17-2016 12:42 PM
sproatlake
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

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Originally Posted by Faster View Post
Maybe... but not until you're well south of the California/Oregon border, even in summer. We left Victoria in July of '86, wore everything I brought - even the Mustang Cruiser suit until we got to Eureka.

For a taste go do a Swiftsure race in sparkling sunshine....
that's true. On days like today I forget it can be cold up here
03-17-2016 09:23 AM
Faster
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

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Originally Posted by sproatlake View Post
....
But I guess I can save room with the lack of clothes I need... Just a couple pairs of shorts, a few t shirts and my third world work boots (flipflops)
Maybe... but not until you're well south of the California/Oregon border, even in summer. We left Victoria in July of '86, wore everything I brought - even the Mustang Cruiser suit until we got to Eureka.

For a taste go do a Swiftsure race in sparkling sunshine....
03-17-2016 01:39 AM
sproatlake
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

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Originally Posted by miatapaul View Post
Leave the gear behind, you wont need it!
Shortboard, longboard, paddle board, climbing gear, freedive equipment, kiteboard kite, camping gear, spares, food, fishing equipment, dinghy, shotgun, outboard, spares, spares, spares, spares... I get your point but still...

If I'm not bringing the stuff to enjoy the places I go, as well as the sailing, is it really worth going?

I'm a massive gearwhore by the way...

But I guess I can save room with the lack of clothes I need... Just a couple pairs of shorts, a few t shirts and my third world work boots (flipflops)
03-16-2016 03:45 PM
miatapaul
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

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Originally Posted by sproatlake View Post
Appreciate it! I forgot about bimini fabrics and the like, that being said, I think I have a 400 yd roll of ultrasuede in the basement here somewhere. Leftovers from the clothing empire...

maybe I should consider selling it off?

I've been looking at 30-36 footers for cruising, it just seemed that they were a little bit small for all my stuff (I have a lot of gear)
Leave the gear behind, you wont need it!
03-16-2016 01:32 PM
sproatlake
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

Appreciate it! I forgot about bimini fabrics and the like, that being said, I think I have a 400 yd roll of ultrasuede in the basement here somewhere. Leftovers from the clothing empire...

maybe I should consider selling it off?

I've been looking at 30-36 footers for cruising, it just seemed that they were a little bit small for all my stuff (I have a lot of gear)
03-16-2016 10:33 AM
miatapaul
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

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Originally Posted by sproatlake View Post
Uhm, 4000? I grew up doing custom fabric work with my parents. that seems... mighty steep for some fabric, even if you were to do it in cordura, or some other bulletproof nylon, I couldn't see it anywhere near there...

engine for 18-20 "at least?"

I've found them all around 7,000... CAD...

I'm not trying to devalue what you have said, I just am trying to be realistic about pricing things out, being 22 and all and not having an unlimited budget, and doing most of it myself.

but I am interested in hearing about the other boat that is for sale. Do you happen to have a link?

Thanks so much

Well reports here for engine replacements here from people who have actually done it, doing most of the work yourself have been far higher, does that 7000 include a transmission? how is your shaft? new shaft and log or PSS seal is going to be at least a grand. New exhaust, well there goes another grand, new transmission is a couple of grand, new prop, well there goes another boat buck. I have yet to see a new diesel even with diy get installed for under 15,000 and that is for a much smaller boat. Generally the engine is about half the cost of the install (materials only) so even using your 7,000 motor you are looking at 14,000 to start with. You are going to want at least 50 HP on that boat, preferably more.

Upholstery, unless you can find a hodgepodge of mixed fabrics is going to set you back at least 50 to 60 a yard, possibly far more if you want something very durable like Ultrasuede that runs well over a $100 a yard. Keep in mind you will likely want to use matching UV resistant fabrics, not what you find on the discount rack at the local fabric store. You will need a lot of fabric, so odd lots won't work, unless you want all your work to not increase the value of the boat. If you are only 22 (especially if single) I would concentrate on boats no bigger than mid 30 foot, the Frazer listed is good for a full family with kids, if you don't have that you are just going to waste your money maintaining an unnecessarily large boat. I live on a 33 foot boat and have plenty of room, could use more storage, but it is more of a racer than a cruiser so there is not a lot of storage on her. I have been on 27 foot boats that would be good for living on, and actually planed on something more that size.

With boats the costs to maintain it go up way more that just by boat length. So a 30 foot boat will cost less than half to maintain than that 42 foot boat. So do your budget a favor and look smaller, and cruse longer.

The two boats Faster posted are TONS better boats, at least by the photos.

Here is rain dog's posting.

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/pacifi...-dog-sale.html
03-15-2016 03:09 PM
sproatlake
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

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Originally Posted by Faster View Post
If you're doing your own upholstery then of course the costs will come down. I expect that mpaul was thinking of having the cushions recovered professionally (and paying for it) in which case for a boat with that many berths/settees etc his estimate is conservative. Add more for new foam (quite possibly well advised) But if you can DIY that's a big deal.

Again, repowering costs suggested includes R & R and labour involved, so an $8K engine becomes a $16K install pretty quickly, and maybe more after shaft mods, re-propping, etc etc. Especially when changing platforms, there can be a lot of work in rejigging mounts, stringers, spacers etc.. all costly.

There's a thread here on 'RainDog' a Pacific Seacraft and a fine offshore voyager being for sale.

There's a bit of BC loyalty in seeking out a Fraser, there are several 41s and 42s for sale locally, I believe, or at least there was a few weeks back. Try Craigslist and Kijiji as well as Yachtworld. I think they are great boats for what you want to do... The two below are local, there are several others in various locations offshore on Yachtworld.

1983 Fraser 41 Sloop Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

1980 Fraser Sloop Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
Fair, and this is true. (about the DIY stuff) I never really think about paying for the labour.

I notice these are 41s! haha It seems someone has a preference!
03-15-2016 02:33 PM
Faster
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

If you're doing your own upholstery then of course the costs will come down. I expect that mpaul was thinking of having the cushions recovered professionally (and paying for it) in which case for a boat with that many berths/settees etc his estimate is conservative. Add more for new foam (quite possibly well advised) But if you can DIY that's a big deal.

Again, repowering costs suggested includes R & R and labour involved, so an $8K engine becomes a $16K install pretty quickly, and maybe more after shaft mods, re-propping, etc etc. Especially when changing platforms, there can be a lot of work in rejigging mounts, stringers, spacers etc.. all costly.

There's a thread here on 'RainDog' a Pacific Seacraft and a fine offshore voyager being for sale.

There's a bit of BC loyalty in seeking out a Fraser, there are several 41s and 42s for sale locally, I believe, or at least there was a few weeks back. Try Craigslist and Kijiji as well as Yachtworld. I think they are great boats for what you want to do... The two below are local, there are several others in various locations offshore on Yachtworld.

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1983...a#.VuhbheIrK70

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980...a#.VuhbqOIrK70
03-15-2016 02:26 PM
sproatlake
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

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Originally Posted by Faster View Post
We have friends just returned from 11 years offshore on their Fraser 42.. while this one might need some work, it's got great bones. Certainly a capable vessel, as is the (IMO) prettier Fraser 41 (same hull, aft cockpit and more streamlined deck plan) These are solid, well built boats but many were owner-finished from hull&deck kits so fit and finish varies.
That's kind of my line of thinking. I mean, theoretically, you can sail something with no interior across oceans, it's not my major concern. I don't require fancy finishing or any of that (although I'm capable of achieving it) it seems like a bit of a waste on a boat that I intend to surf, freedive, fish, and live out of..
03-15-2016 02:24 PM
sproatlake
Re: Fraser Built Sailboats

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Originally Posted by miatapaul View Post
cushion fabric alone is going to be 4,000 + foam,
Uhm, 4000? I grew up doing custom fabric work with my parents. that seems... mighty steep for some fabric, even if you were to do it in cordura, or some other bulletproof nylon, I couldn't see it anywhere near there...

engine for 18-20 "at least?"

I've found them all around 7,000... CAD...

I'm not trying to devalue what you have said, I just am trying to be realistic about pricing things out, being 22 and all and not having an unlimited budget, and doing most of it myself.

but I am interested in hearing about the other boat that is for sale. Do you happen to have a link?

Thanks so much
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