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02-09-2009 11:48 AM
arosental thanks CB

I am the proud owner of a 37' Kirie Elite. got it friday!.
does anybody know where I can dig up specs in the inetrnet
so far I have been unsuccesful except for the basic data.
02-04-2009 12:51 PM
CBinRI This site is the best cruising site, no doubt. But at the risk of sounding disloyal, if you are considering club PHRF racing, I would go on the SailingAnarchy website and ask on their forums about whether the boats you are interested in are fairly rated under the PHRF system. After they curse you out and flame you, they will likely be happy to share their opinions on the PHRF ratings of these boats, as there are many over there who obsess on this stuff.
02-03-2009 07:32 PM
arosental good try! no way sorry!
because I put myself to sleep 40 yrs dreaming of a monohull paced power sliding through
02-03-2009 10:40 AM
timebandit Ynot a cat??
02-03-2009 09:34 AM
arosental
Kirie Elite 37

I wonder what you end up getting. I am getting back into sailing very much like you did. andwith a loving and supporting new wife too LOL.

I am aboutto buy a 1984 37 Kirie Elite in need of a lot work but have not been able to fingd design and construction spec information yet beleve it or not. Not even a keel profile....can somebody help?
09-18-2007 10:23 PM
l_lym The J105 is a pleasure to sail with dinghy like responsiveness. The asym and small jib make it easy sail shorthanded but it's pretty spartan for more than an overnight or weekend. There is great (very competitive) one design racing all over the Northeast

We sail an older Beneteau First 345 which is also quick, tracks well with it's deep keel and has been a pleasure on week long LIS cruising. I think it would be great for PHRF racing but somehow that hasn't worked into our plans. For a number of reasons however this would not answer part of your original spec to include more offshore work.
09-18-2007 01:20 PM
ceol Not much to add. i would have suggested C&C's by your criteria than a J-boat. C&C's tend to be more cruiser oriented, yet still quite quick. They also tend to be in better shape. I am generalizing here obviously, but J's tended to be raced and put away wet, while C&C's seemed to be cruised more and not put away wet, so the interiors seem to be in better shape.

Under no circumstances am i saying a J may not be right for you, they are very quick and tend to be easily sailed lower handed, but i am just getting lost in what you really want.

G~
09-18-2007 11:10 AM
JohnRPollard Lyle's take on the J105 is very balanced. I 've only been aboard them a few times at boat shows, and for one relatively brief test sail. I like the way they sail (fast), and I like the retractable sprit with the asym spinnaker, but I would not want to cruise with my family or a few friends on one. And that is my big complaint about them. The 105 is a fairly large boat (34 feet +/-) with a cabin that is less accommodating than our previous 24 footer. As long as you recognize the purpose of this design - PHRF club and one-design racing with enough accommodation to serve as a crash pad - it is perfect for exactly that. But I sort of think of it as being a lot like the NY36 as far as cruisability (albeit with a much simpler rig).

It sounds like you are looking for a boat that would be a fun daysailor, performance cruiser, and that is suitable for maybe some club racing too. In the same vein as the 105, would you consider a somewhat smaller J-boat? One of their designs that has always appealed to me is the J32. The cabin is much more accomodating than the 105, but the hull form still has a performance edge. It lacks the retractable sprit, but you can still fly an asym spin from a pole or even the pulpit. This model might be too small for your purposes, but I thought I'd mention it since you are already considering the 105 and other J models are being tossed into the mix.
09-18-2007 09:07 AM
LyleRussell I have sailed and raced a J-105 a fair bit. As sailors they're great. You can feel the acceleration when a puff hits. The asymetric spinnaker adds a whole new dimension to sailing downwind. I have also sailed it single handed several times. Except for the scramble coming back to the dock she was no problem at all to solo. With a proper crew she's quite fast. The only folks that beat us were the J-35ers and other more skilled 105's. We left every other boat in the dust. She is also strong and solid in heavy weather. We brought one back from the Maryland Governor's cup in a fragment of Tropical Storm Erin in 25 knots of air (believe it or not) flying the a-kite. I had white knuckles for a week but she held up great.

That said, my wife refuses to cook a meal aboard her, sitting down. On a cruise we sail from marina restaurant to restuarant. I'm 5'9 and there's not enough head room. I've slept aboard multiple times but basically you live in the cockpit. Rainy days at the dock, one better have a good book to read while laying in a bunk. She sails around an anchor quite dramatically so mooring her may be problematic.

Someone mentioned earlier a J-35, or consider a J-37. They're faster than the 105, cheaper, and better cruisers but more complicated to sail. Add lazy jacks, a furler and an autohlem they should be doable solo.
09-18-2007 12:46 AM
Sailormann Have never sailed on a 105. I see their sterns on a regular basis, and try to pretend I am not bothered as they pass me by

I have a very favorable opinion of J-boats though... But, I have been seduced by the wonders of propane, refrigeration and showers

Let me think of something negative to say here.... hmm ... if it has laminate sails you're going to have to replace them soon (probably)... that's about it.
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