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10-22-2007 11:51 PM
Sailormann
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Don't forget, more than 25 million people depend on withdrawals from the Great Lakes for drinking water. Chicago alone processes one billion gallons of Great Lakes water for human use each day. Lake Michigan water withdrawals account for nearly half of all the water taekn from the Great Lakes each year.
I'm betting that 24.5 million of them are Republicans...they bottle the stuff to send to their relatives in Tahoe..
10-22-2007 08:51 PM
sailaway21 tjk is on point. The daily recharge available to acquifers in Michigan is in excess of a trillion gallons per day. The trouble being that God often has different ideas about where to put it than either the Army Corps or the folks in Lansing. But then God does not have the benefit of an engineering degree. (wonder how he get's by)

We have a relatively small lake here is SW Michigan that, due to previous engineering feats, has lost significant amounts of water. The residents pooled their resources and sunk a high capacity well to recharge it. The lake is roughly 3 miles by 5 miles in size and the well discharges approximately a million gallons per day into it. A resident I know who lives on the lake said that it has helped to maintain what nature provides, barely. During an uncommonly dry, but cloudy, April he measured the lake level. At a million gallons per day it held just even, ie...it kept up with the evaporation rate!

We're all pretty good at measuring what we pump out of the ground or municipalities pump out of the big lake. We're not so good at wrapping on minds around the sheer scope of the volume of water that a passing thunderstorm provides. A 15 minute squall out does what a high capacity irrigation well labors to do within a full day.

God may be capricious, but he's not malicious. It would surprise none of us to see record ice thicknesses in three months, or not.
10-22-2007 05:30 PM
garymcg
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Originally Posted by sailortjk1 View Post
By the way,
I don't think any of this has anything to do with the original post.
The original post made a comment about Western Lake Erie versus Eastern Lake Erie not water levels in general on the Great Lakes.

I believe he said something like overnight he noticed a drop. What he may well have experinced was a seiche.

A seiche is where the levels drop on side of the lake while rising on the other side of the lake do to winds and atmospheric pressure. They are not uncommon on the inland seas.
That's exactly what it was, only the most extreme seiche I've seen all year. My depthsounder usually reads about 8.4 at the dock, it was down to 5.5 and still dropping when I left. Luckily the water came back up shortly after, as once the sieche starts it oscillates back and forth like a wave in a bathtup. It has a pretty extreme effect on Lake Erie due the length and shallowness of the lake.
10-22-2007 04:04 PM
T37Chef
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Originally Posted by ImASonOfaSailor View Post
I think what you all need to do is trade up and get a Multi hull it only need 20 inches of water if you buy the right one! Hopefully we get some rain soon!
I saw a nice multi hull in Still Pond Creek...looked much like yours?
10-22-2007 04:01 PM
ImASonOfaSailor I think what you all need to do is trade up and get a Multi hull it only need 20 inches of water if you buy the right one! Hopefully we get some rain soon!
10-22-2007 02:47 PM
chucklesR Shucks,
I put a shine on my Gemini's drive leg there (still pond creek - across from the mooring balls) on the 22 of September, and I only need 20 inches. Bunch of PB's anchored right in the channel so I had to go around. First and only time I've stirred mud.
10-22-2007 12:34 PM
T37Chef
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Originally Posted by chucklesR View Post
but by gosh we have water
Not Sunday...I hit bottom not once, not twice, but three times exiting Still Pond Creek
10-22-2007 10:27 AM
chucklesR This is the price you pay for sailing in fresh water!
Here on the Chesapeake where the water is undrinkable and unuseable for human purposes we sail in muck, crap and commercial and farming effluent, but by gosh we have water (tuesdays and sunday afternoon, other days depending on tidal factors and butterfly takeoff's in Argentina)

Chuckles
10-22-2007 10:02 AM
trantor12020
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Originally Posted by SEMIJim View Post
2.1 gallons?!?! Per day?!?! We need to put a stop to that!



Jim
yah, drink more beers and take a piss in the lake. that ought to raise the level some.
10-22-2007 09:38 AM
xort As I posted earlier in this thread...there is a huge diversion INTO Lake Superior from lakes & rivers north of Superior that equals the diversions in Chicago and elsewhere.

The rapid drop of Lake Erie last week was a seiche. I'm on Lake St Clair and watched at least 6" of drop, probably more, from the high winds. It took about 24 hours for all of it to return.

According to the ACE presentation, there was dredging in the St Clair River (don't remember the date) but it didn't have a significant effect. Scouring of other parts of the St Clair River are what is causing increased water flow.
They have aerial photos from the 50's 60's 70's & 80's showing how as small walls were built along the beaches of southern Lake Huron to stop erosion, the flow of silt dropped rapidly. They are concerned that the lack of silt is letting the flow of the St. Clair River increase.
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