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03-27-2014 05:26 PM
tightgroup
Re: CS36 Merlin

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Originally Posted by sony2000 View Post
There is one for sale at the Royal St. Lawrence Yacht Club. Its been well kept.
Not wanting to hijack a post, but I am interested in the CS 34 M , if you could PM me so I can contact the seller, I would be appreciative. I cannot PM you directly I do live in the West Island
03-25-2014 12:41 AM
boatpoker
Re: CS36 Merlin

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Originally Posted by JulieMac View Post
Thanks, BP. If we go look at one of them, we'll have to pay close attention to signs of stress. If you saw that either on the 40 or Merlin, would it be advised as a deal breaker? I wonder if it's a repairable situation, or if it's inevitable to occur?
I've only surveyed three CS40's and none of them had the fractured liner issues that sometimes appear on the Merlins so I don't think I have enough information to really form an opinion on them.

I have surveyed quite a lot of Merlins and I would not walk away from them due solely to the very common liner fractures at the dinette. These can sometimes be caused by poor venting/overfilling of the polyethylene water tank. However if the fractures appear between the hatch cutouts at the dinette and around the mast step, this is cause for caution.
03-25-2014 12:29 AM
JulieMac
Re: CS36 Merlin

Thanks, BP. If we go look at one of them, we'll have to pay close attention to signs of stress. If you saw that either on the 40 or Merlin, would it be advised as a deal breaker? I wonder if it's a repairable situation, or if it's inevitable to occur?
03-24-2014 11:58 PM
boatpoker
Re: CS36 Merlin

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Originally Posted by JulieMac View Post
Hi, Fast2Tack. Don't have enough posts to PM you. Thanks for the info, and I will call. Essentially, I was asking if you know anything about the CS 40's. Are they the same construction as the Merlins, or more robust? Did they have this same pan construction and stress cracking issues?
Julie, the CS40 is a "pan" or full liner boat like the Merlins.
03-24-2014 11:51 PM
JulieMac
Re: CS36 Merlin

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Originally Posted by fast2tack View Post

The Merlin is a whole other "animal".

Raymond Wall design (Trad.) of Camper & Nicholson fame vs. Tony Castro design (Merlin). The Merlin is a "pan" boat and has had problems with "shifting" or "cracking" as a result of the mast "butt" stressing the pan and it manifests in a nice crack on the starboard salon settee bunk. Just lift up the cushion and most have some signs of stress or complete failure in that area.

Of note is the fact that Merlin's are now priced the same as Traditionals in the current market. Back in 2008 Merlins were selling for close to a $100K in the last 5 years they have dropped down to around $60K the same as a well equipped CS 36 Traditional.

The Merlin offers a "euro" look and an interior closer to what the market is currently looking for BUT the Traditional is a better built boat.....hands down.
Just ask "Boatpoker" a well respected expert Marine Surveyor or "Mainesail" who has the most beautifully "reno'd" CS 36 T I have ever seen.
Hi, Fast2Tack. Don't have enough posts to PM you. Thanks for the info, and I will call. Essentially, I was asking if you know anything about the CS 40's. Are they the same construction as the Merlins, or more robust? Did they have this same pan construction and stress cracking issues?
03-15-2014 11:53 PM
JulieMac
Re: CS36 Merlin

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Originally Posted by fast2tack View Post
I respectfully disagree.

The Traditional is a better built boat.
The "t" has a solid glass "overbuilt" hull and the Merlin has a cored hull. Although cored might be lighter and possibly stronger when new....I prefer the solid glass hull of the "T" on a 30-35 year old boat.

All the options in the world don't make the Merlin a better built vessel.

I worked at CS yachts in the early 80's, in all facets of production, sales and commissioning.
The CS 36 Traditional's were well built and some of the best of Canadian boat building of the era. The Traditional has a loyal following and although they are over 30 years old, have held their value and the reputation as a above average "blue water" vessel.

Delivered them on both coasts and they are a pleasure to sail.

The Merlin is a whole other "animal".

Raymond Wall design (Trad.) of Camper & Nicholson fame vs. Tony Castro design (Merlin). The Merlin is a "pan" boat and has had problems with "shifting" or "cracking" as a result of the mast "butt" stressing the pan and it manifests in a nice crack on the starboard salon settee bunk. Just lift up the cushion and most have some signs of stress or complete failure in that area.
What do you mean about the Merlin being a pan boat? How is the mast attached to the keel, versus the design style of the Traditional?
02-02-2014 12:19 PM
fast2tack
Re: CS36 Merlin

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Originally Posted by rugosa View Post
Always thought Raymond Wall could have designed a real sweet CS40 to complement the 36T, 33 has always seemed a little tight throughout to me, but another nice RW design & CS build.
Hi Rugosa,
Answered your PM. Looks like we crossed paths back in the day!
02-02-2014 11:51 AM
rugosa
Re: CS36 Merlin

Always thought Raymond Wall could have designed a real sweet CS40 to complement the 36T, 33 has always seemed a little tight throughout to me, but another nice RW design & CS build.
02-02-2014 10:28 AM
Maine Sail
Re: CS36 Merlin

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Originally Posted by fast2tack View Post
Just ask "Boatpoker" a well respected expert Marine Surveyor or "Mainesail" who has the most beautifully "reno'd" CS 36 T I have ever seen.
Ours has approx 70,000nm under her keel including an "almost" circumnavigation. She has zero crazing, cracking or any signs of wear even after 35 years. Her only issue is some spots of dry deck delamination/pops, our boat was one of two that had this happen, and that was factored into the price. The previous owner sailed 60k nm with these deck "pops" and we continue to sail with them because they are not high on my priority list and they are more annoying than structural issues. When I get to painting the decks I will repair them but for now, no need.

We too looked at Merlins and preferred the more robust construction of the 36T... I like the interior / aft cabin of the Merlin though. We also looked at the Nonsuch line but after living vicariously through many other boat owners, who have had extensive hull moisture repair bills, we decided a non-cored hull was a priority for us.. We also preferred the more graceful lines of the 36T but that is more personal preference.
02-02-2014 10:03 AM
eherlihy
Re: CS36 Merlin

I gotta agree, and I looked a a couple CS 36Ts and a Merlin. While I liked the layout and space of the Merlin, the Traditional is the only boat of the two that I would have considered. The solid glass hull hold up better over time.
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