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Crimping versus Soldering

117K views 285 replies 73 participants last post by  desert rat 
#1 ·
I am not trying to bring up another very heated argument on this board, but I would like to tell anyone still soldering that almost without exception, EVERY soldered joint on the V-42 we have is corroding and failing. It may have taken close to 20 years to do it, but we did not find these issues on ANY of the crimped joints... NONE.

If that is not a first hand testimonial to crimp over solder, I do not know what is.

- CD
 
#36 ·
Still said:
Off topic...how do you guys get your quotes in that nice blue box?
Or, to customize the quote, start with
anything you want said:
,what you want to quote, and end [/quote (plus the rear bracket)
 
#37 ·
PBzeer

Thats the one I needed...Not sure I understand but Ill play with it...Thanks
 
#38 ·
"but now at least I know why I should go buy a 30.00 crimper..."
More like $50 for the crimper. That would be a ratcheting one with removable/replaceable dies at the business end.

And, you need proper crimps as well. The cheap stuff at the auto store is junk. Real crimps are carefully designed and made on machinery that was not worn out and then sold to someplace in China. They are matched to SAE or AWG wire sizes, and include an inner seamless copper sleeve to grip over the wire. No inner sleeve? Then it is junk, not a proper crimp terminal.

With the right wire, a good crimp, and a good crimping tool, you should be able to wrap the wire around both hands and PULL and not have it come out of either side of the crimp. The wire should break first, if need be.
 
#50 ·
But what if that tug test took the crimp to the 90% fail point.!!!!

Now seriously, what is a good brand or soldering iron. should a flux or flux off.:D :D
 
#40 ·
Cheap insurance

Quote=More like $50 for the crimper. That would be a ratcheting one with removable/replaceable dies at the business end./quote
Thanks for the details

Edit : Well that one didnt work..:(
 
#41 ·
Have to have the [ ] 's around quote, and after the = is who you are quoting (I didn't make that very clear before)

eg:
Stillraining said:
then the quote, then just /quote inside the brackets
 
#42 ·
Actually, many of the proper crimp terminals have a seam, but it is brazed at that point.
 
#44 ·
I will try them

PBzeerI've had no problems with the Ancor terminals said:
Thanks, Have a HD close by.

Edit: Augh!!!!Bugger it anyway...
 
#45 ·
You need a "]" after the PBzeer and a "[" before the "/". :)
 
#46 ·
I've had no problems with the Ancor terminals, and if you have a Home Depot that carries them, they are way cheaper there.
John, What department do you find them in ?

btw stillraining, I was showing off,lol Use the last "square" with the "writing" in it for quotes.
 
#47 ·
Toooooooooooo

much for this old loggerhead!!!
 
#51 ·
Yeikes!!



Well...At least they have a built in heat shrink..:rolleyes:
 
#53 ·
Thanks

I simpler idea for a simple Man...:)
 
#54 ·
What I am getting from this is that quotes are important in the crimping process as well...

Another simple technique is to tie the corresponding wires together and then twist the heck out of the stripped portions and then electrical tape the heck out of it (with good marine grade tape of course)....it will survive the tug test but not many others...:D
 
#56 ·
Another simple technique is to tie the corresponding wires together and then twist the heck out of the stripped portions and then electrical tape the heck out of it (with good marine grade tape of course)....it will survive the tug test but not many others...:D
I've worked on some houses where that was the thought also. The connection was so reliable, that they decided not to put it into a junction box, but just bury it behind the drywall.
 
#55 ·
Yep

Thats what I do when broke down at night lee shore or not....:)

Sorry for the public schooling of an old thick skulled loggerhead...
 
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#60 ·
Freesail, I believe I hear the local fire marshal calling your name. :)
 
#61 ·
Why for putting wires into a junction box, rather then use a crimped connection as suggested ?
 
#67 ·
I've not used the ratcheting type, although I could see some benefit to them in a tight space-that is, if you can get the head of them into said space! I've found the traditional Klein Pliers, the tool the company is most famous for and they're actually crimper/cutters, to be the most effective. You can see a photo here:http://www.tools-plus.com/klein-1006.html
If you're using the conventional strippers/crimpers you're going to have a quantifiable increase in life satisfaction by purchasing a pair. Available at Home Depot and electrical supply houses. Channel Lock makes a knock-off version as well.
 
#68 · (Edited)
I've not used the ratcheting type, although I could see some benefit to them in a tight space-that is, if you can get the head of them into said space! I've found the traditional Klein Pliers, the tool the company is most famous for and they're actually crimper/cutters, to be the most effective. You can see a photo here:Klein 1006 Crimper-Cutter at Tools Plus
If you're using the conventional strippers/crimpers you're going to have a quantifiable increase in life satisfaction by purchasing a pair. Available at Home Depot and electrical supply houses. Channel Lock makes a knock-off version as well.
Sailaway...

Unfortunately, that crimper you use is not designed or intended for use on insulated terminals such as those made by Ancor, FTZ or AMP. That tool is for non-insulated terminals... Just a heads up...
 
#73 · (Edited)
halekai,
I'm curious then as to why Klein stamps on the side of the jaw, "ins" and "un-ins" adjacent to the two crimping jaws. One of the jaws makes a crimp while the other makes more of a swage. I prefer uninsulated terminals, where possible, adding shrink tubing after the crimp.

edit for more info:
I've found that anyone with decent hand strength can achieve the same results with out the need for ratcheting. Ratcheting cutting tools generally shine where larger diameters are being cutt or crimped. I'm not against them for the discussed usage, I've just never been less than completely satisfied with the Klein pliers.
 
#79 ·
halekai,
I'm curious then as to why Klein stamps on the side of the jaw, "ins" and "un-ins" adjacent to the two crimping jaws. One of the jaws makes a crimp while the other makes more of a swage. I prefer uninsulated terminals, where possible, adding shrink tubing after the crimp.
.
I have no idea why and was only referring to the crimpers in the link you posted and the specs on those specific crimpers: http://www.tools-plus.com/klein-1006.html

Highlights:

Klein 1006 Crimper-Cutter

  • For crimping non-insulated solderless terminals
  • Accommodates wire from No. 10 to 22 AWG
  • Specially hardened wire cutters in nose
  • Length 9-3/4"
  • Lifetime guaranteed ~ made in U.S.A.
My guess is that the ones you linked to are not the same as the ones you actually own??
 
#75 ·
Ancor brand terminals and crimps are carried in the Home Depots in the metro NYC area, in the "eletrical" supplies sections somewhere near the tools (locked up) and switches and tape. Although HD charges some of the highest prices I've seen for electrical tools and meters, and often doesn't have great quality. (Very disappointing.)

OK guys, now let's stop screwing around with crimping tools and start doing it the right way. First, you wrap some fine copper sheet over the two spliced wires. Then you lay about 1/16" of C4 or Semtex around the copper cladding, press in a detonator, and wire it back to the companionway. Once you've got them all set, hook up the power and WHAM all the wires are welded, very nicely, very quickly.

Or, you can buy the explosive crimping sleeves in the "Sears Really Really Special Tool Catalog" but you'll have to go behind the doors in the back room and show ID before they'll let you have one. The ones from Sears are pretty good, there's a microbattery and microdetonator with timer all built into it, for a one-shot use with no extra wires to run. [VBG]
 
#77 ·
Read it all Sway...

Every post ...now you know why my wife is telling me I'm addicted to you guys...:rolleyes:

Some good stuff there for sure...I think I have enough information to carry on from here...Thanks Guys...

Hay by the way Sway...I use to Drill for the black water..:D
 
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