SailNet Community - Reply to Topic

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > On Board > Boat Review and Purchase Forum > Inspecting the sails
 Not a Member? 


Thread: Inspecting the sails Reply to Thread
Title:
  

By choosing to post the reply below you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Message:
Trackback:
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Topic Review (Newest First)
03-28-2008 05:07 PM
hellosailor "What can I possibly hope to look for when inspecting the sails in this guy's garage?"
You'd really need to be familiar with sails to make a reasoned evaluation. I'd suggest calling a couple of lofts, or stopping by, and telling them up front you are looking at a used boat and won't be able to buy new sails THIS season, but you need to understand what "good" versus "trash" is, could they show you some sails and educate you a bit? Odds are they will say yes.

With any sail, you can't really see if it is holding shape unless it is hoisted. You can tell if the sail bellies out too far aft. But with any dacron, once the coating has gone and the material starts to get soft enough to sleep on--that's going to be stretched out as well. With stitching (on any material) it is easier to look at the sail hoisted, you'll see daylight coming through where stitching is wearing. Laying down, that's harder to see.

Mold damage, internal in layered sails, is also something to look out for. Delamination will make composite sails look "crinkly" as it is starting, and you'll see the layers peel and separate once that really takes hold. There's no stopping or patching that. With Kevlar and some of the other composites, lofts will also tell you to only ROLL the sail, never fold it, never step on it, never flake it, because that breaks the fiber strands and the sail loses shape quickly after that.

But the best way to get an idea, is to have seen and held sails in your hand, to get a better feel for what "degraded" is. Sometimes there are bargains in used sails, i.e. someone may buy a storm trysail or a particular jib/genoa and simply never use it. More often, used sails are used up, stretched or otherwise just not much better than bedlinens. Yes, you can sail with them, but once you've sailed the same boat with sails that have proper shape--you'll be amazed at the difference it makes.

If you can call a loft and arrange to come by, do so. Simple bribes like coffee and donuts often get people to be very happy to take a break in their day and talk to strangers.[g]
03-28-2008 02:26 PM
DoomDahDoomDoom Ok, thanks for the guidelines... now:

What can I possibly hope to look for when inspecting the sails in this guy's garage? What do you look for to see UV damage on a Kevlar sail? Delamination of Mylar?

Is a 5-year old Kevlar sail likely to be of any use at all (assume it's been raced about 4-6 weekends at most per summer)?
03-28-2008 05:05 AM
artbyjody
Quote:
Originally Posted by NOLAsailing View Post
The biggest issue with laminate sails, like Kevlar and Mylar, is delamination. Dacron sails will be more prone to losing their shape.

The biggest danger to the kevlar + composite sails is UV damage... they are meant for racing not everyday cruising and if used for the latter expect about 2-3 yrs life span for such ( if lucky) ... Dacron is fairly heavy duty - not light air friendly in most cases - but can last 5-14 yrs depending on usage and proper care...

I have the latest and greatest X-10 sails from North - they were honest and upfront - 3-5 yrs max depending on how they are used... but one has too look at the price tag to see what that means in the long term..

Just an observation..
03-28-2008 04:41 AM
Ilenart Depending on the boat & your sailing plans you should also check out the number of sails that come with the boat. Smaller jibs, storm jibs, trysails, etc will cost extra $ if they're missing and you need them.
03-27-2008 06:32 PM
NOLAsailing The biggest issue with laminate sails, like Kevlar and Mylar, is delamination. Dacron sails will be more prone to losing their shape.

It's hard to tell the quality of the sail by looking at it in a big. If it's clean and crispy, then it's probably good enough. Unless you're buying a racer, though, don't expect a first rate sail inventory.

Whatever's there is probably good enough to get you going and you should probably plan on buying a new set within about the first year of owning the boat. You may get lucky of course (and good luck!) but more often than not a new sail or two will be on the menu.

By the way, there are few things better than new sails...
03-27-2008 05:50 PM
DoomDahDoomDoom
Inspecting the sails

When inspecting the sails, what are you looking for, really? According to the great Don Casey book I've been reading, he suggests simply pulling a corner of each sail out of the bag to see what it looks like (and see if there are any frayed stitches, basically). Is that really sufficient?

Also, what's the average life expectancy of Kevlar/Mylar/Dacron? Are 5-year-old Kevlar sails likely to blow out at any moment?

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:42 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.