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08-06-2008 01:45 PM
Sabreman Mitch - To answer your questions, I'll refer to the rules. Basically, 50.2 says that a spin or whisker pole mast be attached to the mast. The outrigger section (50.3(b) and 50.3(c)) basically define a pole.

The length of the pole is set by the J dimension. If it's greater than J, then it's a spin pole. When I received my rating, I deduced this by inference since I was claiming a non-spin pole credit and to get the credit, the whisker pole had to be less than the J. Hence, I deduced that a spin pole is J or greater.

Since the other boat was using a boat hook that was about 6'-8' long and held by a person, not attached to the mast (neither the pole nor the person), they were in violation of 50.2. I don't see anything about a person standing forward or aft of the mast, but if it's in the rules somewhere, I'll stand (or sit) corrected!

50.2 Spinnaker Poles; Whisker Poles
Only one spinnaker pole or whisker pole shall be used at a time except
when gybing. When in use, it shall be attached to the foremost mast.
50.3 Use of Outriggers
(a) No sail shall be sheeted over or through an outrigger, except as
permitted in rule 50.3(b) or 50.3(c). An outrigger is any fitting
or other device so placed that it could exert outward pressure on
a sheet or sail at a point from which, with the boat upright, a
vertical line would fall outside the hull or deck planking. For the
purpose of this rule, bulwarks, rails and rubbing strakes are not
part of the hull or deck planking and the following are not out-
riggers: a bowsprit used to secure the tack of a working sail, a
bumkin used to sheet the boom of a working sail, or a boom of a
boomed headsail that requires no adjustment when tacking.
(b) Any sail may be sheeted to or led above a boom that is regularly
used for a working sail and is permanently attached to the mast
from which the head of the working sail is set.
(c) A headsail may be sheeted or attached at its clew to a spinnaker
pole or whisker pole, provided that a spinnaker is not set.
08-06-2008 12:08 PM
zz4gta Thanks chuck, it was nighmare trying to work out all the logistics.
08-06-2008 09:55 AM
chucklesR ZZ,
For next year try the Sandy Point State park ramps the day before and I'll put you on a ball or at a friends dock overnight.
There's a boat ramp 2 blocks from my house with 4 feet of water. I can hang a guest pass on your trailer or you can use my drive way over the weekend.
You've got my phone number and email in my previous PM's.
08-06-2008 09:40 AM
SailorMitch Sabreman--i'll let the real racers provide what the rules say, but my understanding is that you can use a boathook to pole out the jib as long as the person with the boathook stands behind the mast. besides, aren't whisker poles usually restricted in length? If so, how would you know their pole is "legal"?
08-05-2008 07:56 PM
Sabreman kai - We did NOT turn on our engine! At about 0300, we thought about it, but decided to hold off until it was a physical impossibility to finish on time. Luckily, that didn't happen and we finished 20 minutes before the 21 hour cutoff. It was amazing that after all that time, two boats in our class were right next to us at the finish. At least one of them used their boat hook to pole out the jib. Unfortunately, we didn't have a protest flag on board or we would have protested, had them DSQ'd, and moved up a place. Since we knew that we were battling for the back of the class, there really wasn't much point to protesting except to stroke the ego. Since 28% of the fleet DNF'd, 15th was ok for the first time. Next year, we'll be on time over the start instead of 9 min late!

It was a fun race. I'm not sure that I've ever experienced that wide a range of conditions in 21 hours. From 5-10 kts to dead calm, to 20 kts, to 30kts with t'storms/rain to dead calm to another t'storm on the way home that night.

We didn't stay long for the part since the crew had to get places, but we went ashore to buy souvenirs (they were out of lg/xl shirts!)
08-05-2008 01:56 PM
kai34 TAK- The party was great!!!! they had this drink called a sea nettle...needless to say after acouple of those and some mt. gay rum and 45 min of sleep the night before i was a happy camper.

ZZ4gta, Sabre- Thanks that was my first big race and finished in 12h 42min 30s. Its gunna be hard to top that experience. Inspite of being the slowest boat in our class by alot we almost beat the farr 11 straight up, but the last three miles killed us with no wind(Meridian has a phrf of 21 and the next closest was 0) . We had good wind (about 14 knots) from i would say 2130-0230and also had good wind after we rounded point lookout until about 3 miles to the finish when the wind completely died. im looking forward to sailing that race in the future if im lucky. it sucks that you guys had to turn on your motors AND missed the party. ZZ4gta well with all of those misshaps and equip failures i hope you still had a good sail and lots of beer on board.
08-05-2008 12:53 PM
zz4gta lol, never made it. I was falling asleep at the helm and the previous 2 days I got 2 hours of sleep each night due to trying to hit high tides at launch ramps. Never again. I'll just pay to have it splashed. 4 horus of sleep in 3 days = no party for me. Drove the 2.5 hours home, and passed out!
08-05-2008 11:47 AM
TAK More importantly.. How was the party??
08-04-2008 11:05 AM
I don't feel bad quiting b/c of equipment failure
Agreed!! If the boat is broken and unsafe, it's much more important to live to sail another day. There's always next year and that's how we get better. Live and learn. We'll be doing an informal "after action" review this week.
08-04-2008 09:51 AM
zz4gta Yeah, I don't feel bad quiting b/c of equipment failure. But would've really liked to finish. I know some things I'll be doing differently. For one, I don't think 2 of my crew will be doing it next year. Too small of a boat for too long on the water. The other said he liked "sailing" not "hiking". I didn't think I'd have to explain the fact that sailing and hiking make the boat go fast, and that's what we want. Silly me I guys.
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