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01-23-2004 01:21 PM
Help…Logistics of Moving Aboard!

Never buy a large boat without a comptenent Marine Surveyor. Best to get random recommedations from a web site such as this, rather than use the one recommended by the selling broker.
01-23-2004 01:21 PM
Help…Logistics of Moving Aboard!

Never buy a large boat without a comptenent Marine Surveyor. Best to get random recommedations from a web site such as this, rather than use the one recommended by the selling broker.
01-23-2004 01:19 PM
Help…Logistics of Moving Aboard!

"Liveaboard Report" has some interesting stats
01-09-2004 05:01 AM
Help…Logistics of Moving Aboard!

One last thought about living aboard. You mentioned living aboard instead of cruising. We plan to cruise. But for living aboard a sailboat is a poor choice... We have met several people who live aboard houseboats. These houseboats are about the size of a double wide house trailer. One guy ran his business out of his. These boats have all the comforts and are a way to see a lot of protected water. We love sailing and want to cruise so a houseboat is not an option. But we are 50 when we are 65 we may decide a houseboat is perfect. A trawler is another option if you want to cross some blue water. I met a family in Texas that had lived aboard for several years. They had cruised the islands and gulf coasts. He said that he had enough range to go to europe if he wanted. But a trawler won''t have the comforts of a large houseboat.
01-08-2004 02:37 PM
e-27 sailor
Help…Logistics of Moving Aboard!

Best of luck Ed. The best advice I''ve seen is to down-size incramentally, and over an extended periond. Start making the transition now, in AZ. Have a couple of garage sales before you retire. Sell the house before you retire. Move into a studio appartment. Get use to living small.

And think through everything you''re going to give up. Do your children visit during the holidays? Do you (or will you) have grand children? What are you and your wife going to do with all the free time? And if this all works perfactly, what''s your exit stratagy-how do you move back on shore with a big chunk (maybe all)of your assets tied up in the boat?

My wife & I ran into an older (mid 70s) couple in Baha. After he retired from the Merchant Marine as a captain of large fraighters, and she retired as an RN, both having good retirement plans, it was time for them to move back to shore life. They had been cruising for about 15 years. They had lived the cruisers life, and my wife & I were truely inspired by their live aboard lifestyle. But they were really concerned about reintegrating. In the 15 years they''d been cruising, most of it outside the US, I wounder how much the cost of living had gone up. Their boat might have lost 50% of its original value, while at the same time, a home might double or tripple in price. I''m not throwing cold water on your plan, just sprinkling a little around. But if we ever moved away from San Diego, I don''t think we could ever afford to move back. I know I could live in a camper on the back of a pick-up; most men can. And that''s about all I''d have if I ever told my wife that we''re not only moving to a different state, but that she has to sell/giveaway all her ''stuff'' and live in a space smaller than a 22'' travel trailer. Of course, only you & your bride can know what''s right for you. So live the dream, but be sure to lower the ladder before you jump in the water.

01-06-2004 09:34 PM
Help…Logistics of Moving Aboard!

Ed, IMO it''s pretty tough to easily generalize about what the used boat marketplace can provide you. Instead, I''d suggest you plan on rolling up your sleeves and plan a lengthy visit or two in coastal areas - either before you move or after - finding out what is offered at the time you are looking. Real estate ads come to mind when I think of boat listings...

But I would like to challenge a couple of specifics on your ''what I want'' list. First, I don''t think it makes a lot of sense to put a certain electronics inventory on your ''must have'' A list. These days electronics are relatively cheap, interfacing issues (and therefore compatibility) is important, it''s easy to find you have more than you might need as you start out, and you''ll be looking at upgrade paths if your cruising takes you incrementally further from home. For all those reasons, whatever any boat might have will most likely need to be tweaked by you anyway. When you look at adding an HVAC system (for Florida), a robust, liveaboard DC electrical system, or just replacing the cushions & foam that you''ll be living with 24/7, a full suite of new electronics won''t seem hugely expensive by I suggest you not make it part of your A list of priorities.

The other challenge has to do with refrigeration. If you do choose Florida (and potentially the islands) as your initial cruising grounds - as opposed e.g. to the Northwest or Great Lakes - then the reliability and efficiency of your reefer system could potentially have more impact on your lifestyle afloat (amount of battery charging and therefore engine servicing, storage room for desired amp/hr capacity, repair history) than any other single system. OTOH you''ll often find boats being offered with simple evaporator bin-type DC systems that require lots of amps but of course are easy to live with when one keeps the BYC (Big Yellow Cord) plugged in. As with electronics, you may well find that whatever the other attributes of a given boat, the reefer (and it''s box construction) won''t measure up to the demands of a long-term liveaboard lifestyle in a sub-tropical climate. It''s great that you posted your vocational info for us to see and you''re absolutely right - those trade skills will come in mighty handy to all the other boats in your anchorages <g>...and you, too. I''d just suggest that you might find the reefer is also one of those change-out activities that, sooner or later, will be unavoidable, and therefore might lie a bit lower on your ''A'' list, as well.

Good luck on the adventure. It''s a blast!

01-06-2004 10:20 AM
Help…Logistics of Moving Aboard!

I’m definitely getting some good advice here and I really appreciate it.

Although I’ve lived in Arizona for the last 30 years I was raised on the Chesapeake Bay.
There was always a boat in our family, power not sail. I’ve even done some commercial crabbing on the bay in my younger days.
So I’m a little familiar with on-board life. The living in cramped quarters and living with less materially wouldn’t bother either myself
or my wife. I was originally a carpenter, was hurt on the job and retrained in electronics. I’m a pretty good “handyman”, good with
tools and working with my hands. I’m confident I could handle most maintenance chores aboard. I don’t think we’ll have much of
a problem living aboard. It is getting there with a good plan that has me worried.

Bob gave some good advice about divesting myself of all the usual homeowner’s “Stuff”. I think I’ll set aside the guest room for stashing
away the things we’ll need on the boat. The furniture, etc. I’ll try to sell through the newspapers and yard sales. And of course, donations
to Goodwill, etc. I also see quite a few trips to the city dump. My neighbor suggested an auction so I think I’ll contact one of the estate auction
houses in the vicinity.

Once the house was sold, the plan would then be to pack up either a travel trailer or U-haul and head for, probably, Florida. I’d, hopefully, start
out with a particular boat or two in mind.

The internet is a great place to window shop. I’ve looked at a lot of boats and have decided on my main criteria: 35-45 ft. GPS, computer charting,
autopilot, Radar, depth, wind speed/direction , refrigeration instead of an icebox and probably a head with a holding tank. A wind generator or solar
panel would be nice but not a necessity as would an inverter.
Since my price range is below $100000 I’m looking at some older boats. Some of these boats have gone through some refurbishments, but generally
speaking could I pick up a 30 year old boat that would give me low maintenance service for 5 or 6 years? Or should I go with a smaller newer one?

01-06-2004 01:51 AM
Help…Logistics of Moving Aboard!

I find the responses to Ed Fatzinger''s post very interesting and commendable. When a question like this was posted over a year ago here on SailNet, I was one of the few advising measurable, reversible steps up to the goal.

It was vehemently posted by more than a few, however, that life is too short so just drop everything and go. Sounds like the moderates have the current majority. 8^)

Good luck, Ed. Lots of good advice here.


01-05-2004 11:50 PM
Help…Logistics of Moving Aboard!

I liked the advice given by C172 - why isn''t it we can''t use first names here, BTW? - and think there''s a LOT to recommend an incremental transition. One of the things most often missed by those eager to jump into a liveaboard/cruising situation - but who are looking at it from the outside, in - is that what can be simply stated ("We want to sell up and move aboard...") represents a huge undertaking in every way imagineable, including emotionally and psychologically.

Along with mulling the ''All or Nothing'' choice of purchasing a boat, I''d encourage you to think the same about living ashore. Perhaps taking it in steps - house, condo/apt, and finally boat - will allow the transition to be more digestable, more fun, and far less difficult. Just to offer one scenario, you could relocate to a rental on the SE U.S. coast somewhere (pick a place you''ve always wanted to spend some time in; who says this can''t be part of the adventure!?), and then boat shop with the goal of bringing her back to your own backyard (literally or figuratively speaking) to prep and then do short trips on, while testing your prep and adjusting to things. This sort of approach lacks the ''sizzle'' of diving in all at once, but perhaps offers more ''meat'' insofar as executing the plan with a minimum of stress and irreversible steps.

Just a thought...but this is one of those life decisions where you want to follow the carpenter''s maxum: measure twice, then cut once.

Good luck! Keep us posted...

01-05-2004 10:48 AM
Help…Logistics of Moving Aboard!

My wife and I are going to live aboard soon. We bought a Pearson 323. I suggest that you read Sensible Cruising the Thoreau approach. We have spent several days on the boat and it seems big enough for a couple though not big enough to carry a lot of scuba gear etc.
Buying a boat is hard!!! We looked for two years and still made mistakes. I recommend that you find a good coastal cruiser and costal sail for a year or two. At least that''s our plan. Then if we really like cruising we''ll buy a blue water boat. With our P-323 we can afford to walk away even if it''s a total loss. With a good blue water boat we couldn''t afford the loss.
We have seen some live aboards that look awfully rough.... not much more than a homeless person. Some of them seem happy some seem trapped with few options. Living on a boat at a marina full time without enough money is not something that we wish to experience.
Boats aren''t easy to sell!!!! Especially if you expect to recover most of your investment. That''s why it would be wise to check out the lifestyle in a reversible manner before making the full commitment. There is a couple at our marina that bought a new Catalina 320 to cruise. The family situation changed and they are having trouble selling the boat. It''s sad to see their boat all ready to go and they can''t.. They had been planning a cruising retirement for years.
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