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|04-05-2009 07:59 AM|
Originally Posted by danielgoldberg View Post
|04-05-2009 07:50 AM|
Originally Posted by CBinRI View Post
|04-05-2009 07:41 AM|
Originally Posted by FrancoC View Post
The conventional wisdom is that it can need to be replaced every twenty years (although some people go much longer). Our deck was just replaced by the prior owner.
|04-03-2009 08:11 PM|
Originally Posted by CBinRI View Post
|04-03-2009 08:54 AM|
|Sanduskysailor||My mistake- I was thinking of the 426-Taylor design.. The 425 was the older Hewson design. Still a great boat-just not as fast.|
|04-02-2009 09:13 PM|
Originally Posted by sahara View Post
|04-02-2009 09:09 PM|
|t22cayuga||I don't know these boats but according to PHRFNE, Sabre 42 rates ~96. Sabre 402 (newer Jim Taylor design) rates 66-72.|
|04-02-2009 06:21 PM|
Sabre vs other boats mentioned
Sabres are meant to be sailed, designed by a world class designer (Jim Taylor) and built extremely well. The 42 is not that slow and rates 66-72 not 90. It also can be or was customized at the factory. A freind of mine had one built with 3 cabins, owners, kids, and nanny's. Comparable in price to a Tartan, the Sabre is considerably better built. All the angular exterior surfaces on the Sabre have beveled edges, not so the Tartan. Could be because Sabre owns premium mold maker North End Composites which also supplies Hinckley. Check the fit and finish closely. The Sabre construction method is to lay up the hull, fit all the interior carpentry, put deck on and score, take deck off, remove carpentry (furniture) take to varnish shop and put 6 coats on, reinstall furniture, and then reinstall the deck. Look closely at the hull of Sabre at the next boatshow and then compare it with the others. You will see the difference.
Granted, the Beneteaus, Catalinas, and Hunters can have more dockside amenities they are certainly built to a price. Sabres tend to be sweet sailing machines that are stiff with quality interiors and components. Tartans are priced similarly but have had recent service problems which have been detailed elsewhere and their design pedigree is not as strong since they got away from Sparkman Stephens as their designer.
My order of US production boatbuilders price/quality Sabre, Island Packet, Tartan, Catalina, Hunter.
|04-01-2009 06:05 PM|
The pilot berths are outboard of the settees amidship, in the saloon (main cabin). Quarter berths are aft of the galley and nav station, tucked under the cockpit. On my boat the quarter berth is open to the main cabin. On that Swan they are in a separate cabin aft. It looks like there is a pass-thru from the galley to the starboard Q-berth.
Most people feel that, being further aft, there is a little less motion under way in the quarter berth. My experience is that, being under the cockpit, it is a little more prone to noise overhead from the cockpit. Bunks forward of the mast are useless when underway.
On our boat, the little guy can lie in his pilot berth and read, and still take part in conversations. On the Swan, the aft cabin would provide more privacy. If your girls are young, this way the little ones get their own beds, plus they are still part of the evening. I like pilot berths.
On our boat, for coastal cruising we put up the lee cloth on the quarter berth, aft of the nav station, and use it as a catch all stowage area, since the Admiral and I sleep forward. When we go offshore, that gear gets stowed forward and we set up the quarter berth for sleeping.
Be forwarned, that Swan will be a lot "cozier" than a more modern boat the same length, but you don't really need that much room. And when the wind picks up and kicks a nasty chop, that will be a very easy boat to drive.
You need to go get on some boats and compare them. You also need to think very hard about how you will actually use a boat. If you are not going offshore, don't bother with an offshore boat, for the money they are smaller, and the interiors are not as well suited to entertaining (although the inside of that swan looks very yachty to me, and would be a nice place for a glass of wine). If you are going offshore, think seriously about robust sailhandling equipment, strong construction, and offshore sleeping arrangements. A tired crew makes mistakes, and that's dangerous offshore. If it is going to be you, the wife, and 3 little girls, be sure the boat is small enough for you and the wife (preferably you or the wife) to handle easily.
|04-01-2009 05:15 PM|
That Swan is a darn good looking boat. I didn't think those boats would be accessible to the common man.
What's the difference between pilot and quarter berths?
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