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Topic Review (Newest First)
06-15-2009 09:43 AM
Faster Well done, Jim! ...and this is just the beginning! Good results too.
06-14-2009 10:27 PM
paulk Sounds like fun! We launch Friday and will be trying to make a race that night. Hope we have more than 4 knots of wind!
06-14-2009 09:25 PM
SEMIJim
Results

We raced. We flew the kite. We had a terrific time!

Was looking bad for a while there. All the way out the boat, while we were prepping to go out, and when we started motoring out: No air. I mean no air. None. Nada. Zilch. Nothing. Zero. Bupkis. Nothing was stirring. But then, with the committe boat in sight, I look up and... here we are, motoring at 4 kts about dead north and the Windex is pointing steady dead aft! I point up, and say "Hey, I think we have air!" Raised the main, pointed back down until the boom was dead center, to get a wind bearing: Sure enough: Wind was straight out of the south.

Got the genoa up and everybody got familiar with their jobs. Got over the line nearly perfectly as our class flag went down. Two hours later: Rounded the southern mark, steadied her up, and up went the chute! Got the genny down, got 'er all trimmed and away we went! Eventually the wind backed, because we ended-up on mostly a beam reach most of the way back up.

Final result: Out of a fleet of ten boats, four in PHRF and six in JAM: We finished second in the PHRF class and second over-all. The winning boat beat us by a mere three minutes--out of an (approximate) 3-1/2 hour race. And we might have taken first, had not the air kind of died on us about two miles short of the line and the power boat wake not gotten so bad. The combination of the two was really damaging to us. The boat that beat us, a much larger boat, carrying much more sail area, was not as badly hurt by this as were we. (And I think they sailed a somewhat more advantageous course on that second leg, truth be told.)

The weather was beautiful. The sailing was fantastic. All-in-all a terrific day!

Jim
06-13-2009 11:56 PM
paulk We have rounded a buoy with the spinnaker up and tacked to the other gybe, but the current was doing funky things in order to make that maneuver advisable. Before you worry about it too much, check to make sure the Race Committee has no way to change the course to have you leave the buoy to starboard. The Sailing Instructions at our club call for rounding the marks of the course on the same side as the starting mark was left. By moving the committee boat we can send people clockwise or counter-clockwise. If I was running the RC at your club, and had the wind coming the way you say, I'd switch it to a starboard rounding and help out the racers by simply avoiding the problem. The reach to reach gybes would still be interesting enough to watch. If they can't change the course and you have to turn through the wind to 'round the buoy, you can go the dowse/reset route as others have suggested, or you could sail past the mark, pinch up a touch for a half minute to work to weather a bit, and then "wear ship" - gybe. You have to be careful not to work too far to leeward in your gybe, because you have to be able to carry the 'chute and still leave the mark to port on the return leg, after you've gybed. You should pick the maneuver that you think will be the quickest and least problem-prone. Let us know how it goes!
06-13-2009 08:31 AM
JohnRPollard
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Originally Posted by SEMIJim View Post
The fastest the PO of our boat claims to have ever had her was 11 kts on a close reach with a chute in 20+ kts of wind. He had lots of meat on the rail. Hull speed of our boat is 6.7 kts.

Jim
Sounds like he was throwing down a challenge. Now you just HAVE TO hoist that chute and try to break his record.

Keep us posted. In fact, this would make a good thread unto itself: "Semi-Jim's Attempts to Beat Prior Owner's Speed Record."

Remember: No photos, it didn't happen.
06-13-2009 08:22 AM
SEMIJim
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Originally Posted by AdamLein View Post
the fastest we ever sailed was two weeks ago in maybe 10 knots of wind. We had the spin pole just a couple of inches off the forestay and the apparent wind maybe ten degrees before the beam.
The fastest the PO of our boat claims to have ever had her was 11 kts on a close reach with a chute in 20+ kts of wind. He had lots of meat on the rail. Hull speed of our boat is 6.7 kts.

Jim
06-13-2009 01:15 AM
AdamLein Can't help you with "tacking" your chute, but

Quote:
Originally Posted by zz4gta View Post
I don't believe a sym kite is very efficient that close to the wind anyhow.
the fastest we ever sailed was two weeks ago in maybe 10 knots of wind. We had the spin pole just a couple of inches off the forestay and the apparent wind maybe ten degrees before the beam. The sea was nice and flat and we had no trouble keeping her on course.

Of course our speed (6.3 knots) was a large component in our apparent wind, so it might not work out so well with the true wind right on your beam.
06-12-2009 11:30 PM
SEMIJim Ok, thanks for the tips, everyone!

Looks like we're back on! The forecast has changed Yet Again. Now calling for 5-15 kts, starting out of the NW, veering to N at about race start. (It being Lk. St. Stupid, who knows what'll really happen.) So we'll probably broad reach down with the kite, then douse it and raise a #1 for the beat back up.

Looking forward to it! I'll report back and let y'all know how it went. (Maybe even with pictures!)

Jim
06-12-2009 03:00 PM
Faster If it turns out to indeed be a port tack reach out and stbd tack reach back with marks to port, you've really no choice but to hoist a jib, douse the kite, tack around and reset.

In actuality you'll probably find at least one of these legs too tight to make the kite worthwhile. Keep an eye on the angle of the halyard to the centerline of the boat. if the halyard lead has any aft component, you're probably better off with a headsail. As long as it angles forward from the masthead and control isn't an issue it may be paying off.

Try it! You'll like it!
06-12-2009 02:32 PM
Hudsonian Arrange the jib along starboard rail making sure that the port jib sheet goes over the spinnaker pole and lift bridle forward of the pole lift; set the jib; drop the chute to leeward (probably under the foot of the jib and into the forward hatch leaving the sheet, guy, and halyard attached); drop the pole to the deck leaving the pole lift and down haul attached; take the slack in the pole lift aft and tie it to the base of the mast; harden up; tack; bear off; snap the new guy into the forward end of the pole; untie the pole lift from the base of the mast; raise the pole to the proper position; open the forward hatch; cheat the tack forward to pole; and hoist the spinnaker.
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