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07-09-2009 01:54 PM
Valiente I sail with my kilt on. It's how I met the missus.

While I strongly encourage MOB (or COB, if you prefer) practice, I would leaven this with inculcating among your crew (and oneself) a strong culture of "staying on the damn boat" via the use of tethers, strong lifelines, proper footwear, one hand for the boat, etc.

My last blog entry, made some 10 hours ago, coincidentally expands on this, and includes in part what I wrote in the other thread on COB: The World Encompassed: The realities of self-rescue on a sailboat

I have read a number of accounts of MOB situations on (and off) sailboats, and propshaft wraps in cast-off lines is a recurring theme. It occurs to me that it is actually easier to heave-to with sails "in front" of a deboated crew (and to drift down on them as they relax in your lee), than to actively maneuver a sailboat under power while trying to throw the wrong kind of line (the non-floating kind). A hove-to boat is "self-tending", meaning you have two arms available for helping the unexpectedly wet crew back aboard.

Take it as a given that none of this will happen in six-inch seas and eight knots of wind.

Even so, sailing with one's family on a summer's day and suddenly chucking a hat overboard and shouting "MAN OVERBOARD!" is a good drill I recommend. Bring a stopwatch.
07-08-2009 11:55 PM
smackdaddy Hear-hear BR!!!! It's like we're now all sailing braless or something.

No such thing as a freakin' PC sailor. Was Old Spice made for women??? NO!
07-08-2009 11:12 PM
billyruffn What's this "COB" stuff? Have we all gotten totally PC at SailNet?

Call it what it is: MOB!!!!!
07-08-2009 02:49 PM
RealityCheck While all options are open in any emergency, speed and safety of recovery is key.

One negative factor of using engines is that frequently you may already have deployed lines overboard such as the life sling or sheet lines fall overboard and while keeping an eye out for the MOB you could foul your prop and possibly rudder by overrunning the rescue line then your dead in the water with no helm control. The other is when motoring in a MOB situation, with your sails still up you have a far greater chance of having sails and lines contributing to additional risk for crew that is concentrating on a MOB Rescue and not the boat they are on.

I've had the opportunity to view from a distance two MOB rescues and both were sail boats who used engines to return to the MOB. Both did a direct down wind run to the MOB with sails initially flapping and as they neared the MOB at least one sail partially filled giving the boat headway even when they were attempting to stop for a pick up. One drug the MOB 100's of feet before 3 large guys were able to pull the MOB in. The other did better by swinging clear of the MOB and approaching from down wind. They did almost loose it again in the process of the actual recovery as the boat naturally swung around and started to pick up way as the sails partially filled.

While doing a pick up with sails only would not have always prevented these situations it would have at least had the helmsman paying more attention to sails than only the motor controls.

Lots also depend on sea conditions and your specific boat.

Everyone should practice MOB in different situations using various methods to the point where you feel you can effect a rescue with several alternative methods depending on the specific situations.
07-08-2009 12:54 PM
ericread
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Originally Posted by jjns View Post
If it never happens, it was still time wasted well.
IMHO, A great quote!

Eric
07-08-2009 12:32 PM
peptobysmol And... under sail, if the boat is (im)properly heeled you can just scoop them up.
07-08-2009 09:28 AM
sailingdog One reason it is preferable to attempt the pickup under sail, is that the engine is not always an option. While, you can often fire up the iron genny, if that is all you practice doing, I can pretty much guarantee that the one time you have a real MOB situation, the fuel filters will be clogged. Ideally, you should practice recovering MOB under both power and sail.

The engine on most sailboats is an auxiliary and should be treated as such. The motion of the boat is often far better when the sails are up and there is less risk to the person in the water if the prop is not engaged.
07-08-2009 05:03 AM
KeelHaulin While I don't disagree; I will point out that depending on the state of the sea and the ability to see your victim; remaining under sail might be better. If you are sailing upwind and you drop to a beam reach you are parallel to the COB. If you turn around and motor or sail directly back you might either be to the left or right of the COB or not in a position to motor directly to them without running them down.

In heavy seas a sailboat is more stable under sail; so keeping the sails up and using the wind might be safer for keeping yourself and other crew aboard if you are doing the SAR.

In calm waters or inland sailing it might be better to motor to the COB. If I had a COB situation the engine would definitely be running and ready to assist me in getting back to them.
07-08-2009 12:17 AM
jjns A COB rescue while under sail is something one practices in case the situation arises.
If there is no other option, all that training pays off in spades.
If it never happens, it was still time wasted well.

In a real rescue, making the call as to how to proceed would depend on the circumstances of the situation, but having more options is always better than having less.
07-08-2009 12:06 AM
doubleeboy My wife and I both went thru US Sail instruction thru Bareboat Cruising. Every instructor (we had a different one most every day) told us ya, you do quick stop, figure 8 as a part of the class. But all of them off the record said, luff the sails, start engine, come back , put engine in neutral, coast upwind, when several feet away from MOB, and sure of a pickup, kill engine.

I practice them all, but when the poo hits the fan, I will remember the off the record advice.

michael
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