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04-15-2013 09:38 PM
Re: Twin Keel sailboat?

Originally Posted by jrd22 View Post
Important historical note: I learned to sail on a twin keel Vivacity 20 :-)) I think Dad figured (correctly) that I'd run aground in it. Try as I might, I couldn't break that boat, lots of fun.
Me too - it was the first boat I bought. It was so slow that you had plenty of time to see the shore approaching.
04-15-2013 05:44 PM
Brent Swain
Re: Twin Keel sailboat?

I have been cruising for nearly 3 decades in my current 31 ft twin keeler and there is no way I would consider going back to a single keel. Friends cruising twin keelers all feel the same. Saving a fortune in marina fees is a major consideration . There are 4 in my current anchorage, and we can all walk out at low tide.
One of my 36 ft twin keelers had a race against a sister ship with a single keel. They were even on all points of sail, except to windward, where the single keeler had a very slight advantage. The twin keeler is on her way to the Aleutians after rounding Cape Horn. Do a search under Silas Crosby for the rest of the story.
In the early 80s, most of my clients went for single keelers. Now 80% are going for twin keelers, and many of those who have single keelers wish they had twin keelers. People looking to buy one of my boats, have turned down many a boat because it only had one keel.
With a twin keeler, the ease of drying out means you will spend a lot more time sailing with a clean hull. The money you save on moorage means you will be able to do a lot more cruising, covering many miles, that the single keeler, with his high moorage bills will never sail far enough to make up for the time he has lost. Thus, in miles per year, the single keeler will be far slower overall.
On my last two trips home from Tonga, I made it from Hawaii to Vancouver Island, the first half to windward, in 23 days .Not any slower than it would be for any heavily loaded 31 footer, regardless of how many keels she had.Going south, I was south of Hawaii in 14 days .When she was emptier, I sailed circles around many single keelers of the same size.
04-15-2013 06:08 AM
Re: Twin Keel sailboat?

Not sure if the OP is still keeping up with this thread but i'll chuck in my 2 bobs worth. Whilst the twin keel offers upright stability at low tide and a possible reduced top performance, they also have the unique ability , when heeled over under sail, that with one keel splashing the surface the other is deeply buried offering deep balast and directional force. Similar to what a canting keel would do I think. I've also seen photos of sailors actually standing on the keel that is on the windward side. Both offering extra stability and a good laugh for onlookers! Maybe give it a bit of a scrub n' clean while they're there.
03-31-2013 02:28 PM
Re: Twin Keel sailboat?

Important historical note: I learned to sail on a twin keel Vivacity 20 :-)) I think Dad figured (correctly) that I'd run aground in it. Try as I might, I couldn't break that boat, lots of fun.
03-31-2013 11:57 AM
Re: Twin Keel sailboat?

Originally Posted by Granea View Post
I have found it a great boat and ideal for where I am and what I want to do.
We all have dif needs.
Glad I ran ground on the thread.
You can look here ( the post about twin keels), for some more information:

Also have a look at the "Randoneur" a modern twin keel boat, or this one that won the 2012/13 boat of the year award for best family cruiser:

03-31-2013 11:43 AM
Re: Twin Keel sailboat?

I have found it a great boat and ideal for where I am and what I want to do.
We all have dif needs.
Glad I ran ground on the thread.
03-31-2013 11:43 AM
Alex W
Re: Twin Keel sailboat?

Sorry, normally I notice and don't get involved. This one had enough still current regulars that I didn't check the dates. Oh well.
03-31-2013 11:07 AM
Re: Twin Keel sailboat?

That's marvelous, it only took 3-1/2 years for one owner to stumble across the old thread.
03-31-2013 10:28 AM
Alex W
Re: Twin Keel sailboat?

The first boat that I ever sailed on was a twin keel Hurley 20 or 22, but I was only a couple of months old. My parents sold that boat when I was about a year old. They had it on the Chesapeake bay (Sassafras River)

My impression was that they had it for it's low draft (2.5ft vs 3.75ft). This makes me wonder how it compares to a shoal keel, which also suffers from increased wetted surface, higher displacement, and poor pointing when compared to a fin keel.

It's unlikely that I'll ever sail one. The rocky and steep coast of the PNW isn't that helpful for standing the boat up on it's keel, even if we do get larger tides than most of the US.
03-31-2013 08:31 AM
Re: Twin Keel sailboat?

I have been sailing a Westerly W 25 for several years.
She is as she came from the factory and I am loth to change anything.
Pointing? Well I am slower but I go upwind close hauled with in 2 or 3 degrees of the best. Bow on W 25 is a bit blunt so to keep speed I need to bear off a bit.
Certainly a bit slower but when the rest head in I am still happy.
Very stiff and hard to knock down. I have been out when the sane stay ashore.
The Westerly's or mine are slege hanner tough.
Hit a cement block at 7 k with starboard bilge keel. Beached her to check damage and nothing. Cement block.. knocked chunk out of that... but hope it does not happen again.
Rust? Never mind they are cast. Chip it out if you want and fill and smoth. Lay the epoxy on wax paper and lay it into place smoothing to shape.
You or I at least end up sneaking into places maybe one sould stay out of as they draw so little water and I ofen beach to explor with a stern anchor out and bow tied to tree or rock.
The W 25 has three keels. Center and two bilge. Rudder is protected by the center keel.
Resale? You get one of these and why sell it?
This one stays in the family and grand children are learning to sail on her.
Mine saled over to Nova Scotia from Ireland. Owners manual says she will ride out any storm. I hope I never need to find out but I expect she would do much better than 90% of what goes past me on race day. ( I do not bother with races but when any sail boat comes along face it you are racing? )
Not for everone but I love the old lady.
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