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09-21-2015 07:26 PM
Re: CS27 Specific issue to look for?

Having started this thread, I can now chime in from a different perspective as I've completely rebuilt a CS27 from electrical to plumbing to re-coring the decks! If you don't feel like you've got a good game plan then I recommend you start with Don Casey's book, "This Old Boat". What that book uniquely provides is a well-articulated strategy for surveying, prioritizing, and managing a major refit. You'll want to read it a few times.

As a high level plan though, start with any safety issues (sparking wire, for example), then hit structural issues, and move on from there. The original wiring for the CS27 is not what you want. I'd suggest replacing the panel with a Blue Seas panel like this: If you need more devices than that gives you circuits for, then combine similar devices onto an expansion panel like this:

The Shore Power system on the original CS27 is hazardous. You'll want to install a galvanic isolator, and update the wiring with decent stranded wire. Probably ought to replace the inlet at that time too with something like a smartplug. The DC charger is probably something you'll want to get rid of as well - mine was a single-stage automotive charger.

Add backing plates to all of the stanchion mounts as time allows, but most importantly, start right now with an inventory of all deck penetrations and start working through them one by one properly potting the holes and redrilling to prevent deck core damage, and prevent leaks damaging interior woodwork. Even if they're not leacking - start now. RE-seal them with butyl tape (buy it from Compass Marine).

You're likely to need, or soon need, new ports. When that time comes you'll want to buy acrylic sheets and cut them oversized and bond with Dow Corning 795. You can consider putting in new opening ports but you'll likely need to do some fiberglass work that's WAY more difficult than attaching plexiglass.

This ought to get you started. Post back if you have any further questions.
09-21-2015 06:48 PM
Re: CS27 Specific issue to look for?

Hey Guys,

I really like this Thread. I'm glad my wife is not a part of this forum ...yet.

We have had the boat for about 3 weeks. It's my 1st boat, it was meant to be a "beater" learning boat but I really like it. I'm a true novice.

It's in the water, from here, the hull, deck and rigging seem all very solid. In the cabin, there are some broken Teak boards but nothing soft. I haven't looked under the water level but I will at haul out and open up that can of worms then.

I have a feeling that I bought a bit of a lemon CS27 when it comes to the electrical.

It sails great, which is why I bought it. The Yanmar 8 runs great although rough and seemingly underpowred but's a sailboat from 1981.

None of the gauges work, the lines have been cut. I was digging out the boat hook from the bottom of the lazerette, when I touched an uncovered, exposed, cut wire sparked on contact. Luckily it hit the rubber part of the hook.

The electrical panel, tho, seems to be in working order, the only instrument that works is the after market Hummingbird Depth Gauge.

I keep looking around and finding circular saw marks here and there. They were well hidden.

The boat cost was very little, so I'm not shaking my fist to the skies but it's just annoying to see how badly she was treated. Also, I did not get a survey because it cost so little. I gambled and I probably lost. I will keep my wits about it and not make a serious investment on it, I just want to nurse it back to a better state so we can enjoy it for a few seasons, safely.

Any thoughts on where to get started?
08-15-2009 11:02 PM
CS271409 Congratulations on the boat. I just returned home from a brief 6 day trip to the North Channel and love our CS27 more and more each year.

Warning - do the name change ceremony - any ceremony! We took our boat out for a brief one hour sail immediately after applying the new name to her and I promptly ripped the ring out of the head of the jib leaving the jib head damaged and the jib halyard at the top of the forestay. Nothing a trip to the sailmaker and a trip up the mast in a borrowed bosun's chair couldn't fix but we certainly didn't move the boat again until we had our name changing ceremony.
08-13-2009 10:09 PM
cghubbell Had sea trials tonight, and I have to say she was much more impressive under sail than in the slip (not surprising, right?). We had very light wind tonight, and a brief period of nice puffs so I got a feel for how she responds. Much better in light winds than I'd anticipated, and the wheel wasn't as big a problem as I'd thought (wanted a tiller ideally). The motor ran very smooth as well (for a YSB8!!). Bottom line: I love the boat and agreed on a price with the current owner.

Just a little paperwork to go, and I'll be on the doorsteps of a dream that's been lingering for 28 years. And a lot of work!

My first job is polishing up the deck and fittings, fixing the seacock, and getting her new name in place. She'll be reborn as "Ravat" as soon as I have time to wet-sand the current faded art and have a proper ceremony.

Thanks again for the tips - I'm sure I'll pop up again soon with more questions.
08-08-2009 12:16 AM
CS271409 Chris,
I have two valves on the port side under the settee. They are under the small cushion up against the bulkhead. One is the toilet water intake and one is the head sink drain. Any through hull valve or hose letting go is a major problem. Although it seems non-intuitive, it would be worse if it let go with nobody aboard than if it let go while sailing. Sinking at the dock is a real possibility with nobody around to detect it and take corrective action. On the other hand, there is no more effective bailing device than a frantic sailor with a bucket.

If it's easy and cheap (ha ha) to haul the boat out and fix it, do it for sure. If not, could you swim to the through hull and pound a plug in or stuff it with something that would fill the hole?

A few other ideas:
Obviously, the danger is if the hose lets go. Is the hose double clamped? If not, do so. Does the hose look and feel sound or does it feel like the rad hose on a 1974 Ford Pinto? If the hose is sound, double clamped and it doesn't get whacked with stuff while sailing, it's likely OK... but then it's not my boat ...or my family .

Good luck!
08-07-2009 09:33 PM
Originally Posted by CS271409 View Post
Which gate valve is stuck open? If it is one of the cockpit drains, I wouldn't worry about it. Others should be fixed but if I were you, I would enjoy the rest of the season and deal with it at fall haulout. (gee... after that advice I hope the boat doesn't sink in the slip!!) Have a tapered plug nearby in case of disaster.
To be honest I'm not 100% sure what the raison d'etra is for this particular fitting. It's on the port side in the vicinity of the u-shaped settee. I believe it's for the head, but not 100% sure. This one really looked to me like it would be very much not-good if it let go. I know the chances are ridiculously small, but I don't want to take chances that involve sinking somewhere on Lake Ontario with my family on board.

It's tempting to just handle it in the fall, but on the other hand it would really suck if my new boat sank Might be the end of my spousal sailing approvals.
08-07-2009 09:22 PM
CS271409 Chris,
Great news on the boat. I'm 6'2" and I hear you. My wife is a foot shorter which works well for us fitting into the V berth. I have never been uncomfortable in the boat due to lack of standing head room... well maybe once. I suggest the following rule... the seacover hatch is either closed all the way or open all the way... never half way. Ouch!

Which gate valve is stuck open? If it is one of the cockpit drains, I wouldn't worry about it. Others should be fixed but if I were you, I would enjoy the rest of the season and deal with it at fall haulout. (gee... after that advice I hope the boat doesn't sink in the slip!!) Have a tapered plug nearby in case of disaster.

When I bought my boat, the galley drain valve was cracked and held together with duct tape. Since I was trucking the boat to it's new home, I fixed that right away.

Keep the info flowing!
08-07-2009 09:00 PM
cghubbell Well, I'm back from the visit, and it went very well. The owner appeared to me as trying to be very honest about his boat, and offered to share the text of his recent survey with me. I got the impression he really liked the boat and took care of all the major stuff at the expense of some minor items.

There were a lot of general upkeep and aesthetic issues. Sails are a bit worn, but very useable. Lines are all showing UV damage and will need to be rotated out of service as budget allows. All reasonable things for a 30 year old boat.

The only thing that I didn't feel comfortable with was a through-hull gate valve stuck open. Not cool. There don't appear to be a lot of through hulls on this boat, but I'm thinking I'll want to have it hauled and get that valve replaced with a seacock if I make the purchase. Hopefully that repair won't break the bank as I would love to spend some time sailing her this summer.

Engine looked great and had new mounts, ran as smooth as it can ... Bilge was clean, hull had been stripped and barrier coated about ten years ago, no blistering to speak of. The keel bolts had been replaced at some point and were nice and shiny. Interior woodwork needs some refinishing, but that's the fun I'm looking for. Going to need some re-sealing of the ports as well, but again, that's no biggie.

She appeared pretty sound, so I'm just waiting for the survey for a final review. Much thanks for the feedback on this boat - I think she has the potential to be a great first boat for my family. I just wish that a 6'-3" I could find more boats under 30' I fit into!
08-06-2009 10:02 PM
Gary M I had a 77 that I bought in 97. Good little boat very well built as were all of the CS s. I had the same moisture problem where the wiring went thorugh the deck. Not a big deal with these boats as the outer skin is strong and even if the core is gone there is no flexing. They are a very sound design but a little slow. On mine with the 8 hp I could only get 3-4 knots motoring into a headway with some wave action. It is always better to sail.

Good Luck.

08-06-2009 09:26 PM
cghubbell Thanks!

Sounds like exactly what my research has dug up in terms of issues. Glad to hear I'm on the right track. I have no illusions about a boat of this age being perfect, but I have a lot of ambition for the potential it holds after a few years of slow-but-steady resuscitation. I want to have the experience of working on the boat to learn more about it.

As far as the engine goes, all I know is that it has an 8hp Yanmar diesel. Not sure about the specific model. I'll get that information tomorrow. I'm counting myself lucky that it has an inboard. Lots of boats under 30' I've seen had outboards, and that's not my preference at all.

The boat has a recent survey according to the current owner, so I'm hoping that will suffice. Will do it again if necessary, but on a boat in the price range I'm looking at a survey is a chunk of change that could go into repairs. I'd do it in a second if I had doubts, but if all looks well it would be tempting to accept some risk. The boat is in the water, and still used regularly, so the owner is confident in it at the moment.

I'm sure I'll be posting some more questions after my initial survey tomorrow, but thanks for helping to get me ready!

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