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|08-24-2009 09:49 AM|
Originally Posted by KurtV View Post
|08-23-2009 09:21 PM|
This kind of situation is often referred to as "special circumstances". The term comes from Rule 2 and is generally taken to mean that when more than two vessels are approaching each other so as to involve risk of collision ALL of them are required to keep out of the way of the others.
If you get caught in one of these situtions you should act early and act in a way that's readily apparent to the other vessels.
|08-23-2009 06:12 PM|
When I'm out pleasure sailing I go out of my way to prevent any kind of situation like that from getting to the point where I have to make that decision.A tack or a course change are much easier on the nerves and makes for friendlier day on the water.But.....when it comes to racing I want my rights if it helps my race!
|08-23-2009 05:34 PM|
Originally Posted by Diva27 View Post
Originally Posted by Diva27
|08-23-2009 09:51 AM|
I just did what I should have a while ago, and consulted the USCG nav rules. Here are the pertinent regs with respect to sailing craft. I'm right in general about port-starboard and windward-leeward, but others are right about "overtaking keeping clear" when any vessel is astern of another, even if one is power and the overtaking one is sail. A sailboat approaching a powerboat or another sailboat from anything more than 22.5 degrees aft of the beam has to keep clear. Overtaking rules trumps.
Rules in this section apply to vessels in sight of one another.
(a) When two sailing vessels are approaching one another, so as to involve risk of collision, one of them shall keep out of the way of the other as follows:
1. when each has the wind on a different side, the vessel which has the wind on the port side shall keep out of the way of the other;
2. when both have the wind on the same side, the vessel which is to windward shall keep out of the way of the vessel which is to leeward;
3. if a vessel with the wind on the port side sees a vessel to windward and cannot determine with certainty whether the other vessel has the wind on the port or on the starboard side, she shall keep out of the way of the other.
(b) For the purposes of this Rule the windward side shall be deemed to be the side opposite that on which the mainsail is carried or, in the case of a square-rigged vessel, the side opposite to that on which the largest fore-and-aft sail is carried.
(a) Notwithstanding anything contained in the Rules [of Part B, Sections I and II / 4 through 18], any vessel overtaking any other shall keep out of the way of the vessel being overtaken.
(b) A vessel shall be deemed to be overtaking when coming up with a another vessel from a direction more than 22.5 degrees abaft her beam, that is, in such a position with reference to the vessel she is overtaking, that at night she would be able to see only the sternlight of that vessel but neither of her sidelights.
(c) When a vessel is in any doubt as to whether she is overtaking another, she shall assume that this is the case and act accordingly.
(d) Any subsequent alteration of the bearing between the two vessels shall not make the overtaking vessel a crossing vessel within the meaning of these Rules or relieve her of the duty of keeping clear of the overtaken vessel until she is finally past and clear.
|08-22-2009 09:28 AM|
I agree that whatever keeps boats from running into each other is the best system. But I should have been clearer in the rules stuff. The basics of "when boats meet" (port-starboard, especially) in the rules have derived naturally from historic colregs, and should not contradict basic behaviour for sailboats whether a race is happening or not. I expect sailors to understand port-starboard and obey it, and not supplant it with some interpretation of their own of who is overtaking who. Courtesy and collision avoidance should ultimately prevail. And I still feel the powerboat as give-way boat should anticipate the situation and stay clear of both sailboats. It simplifies a tricky convergence.
|08-22-2009 12:59 AM|
Originally Posted by fud View Post
In U.S. waters I'd say the Rules of the Road as published by the U.S. Coast Guard would be the prime authority - in which case all vessels are obligated to avoid a collision, right or not, so I'd go with fud's earlier response.
|08-21-2009 03:08 PM|
One more comment (I'm breaking in a Dell mini 10 right now , so bear with my verbosity). I cruise in a C&C 27 but I also have many years' experience cruising Georgian Bay in powerboats, the last being a Fairline 29, and I'm sympathetic to the plight of powerboaters where sailboats and colregs are concerned. As sailors, you can't count on powerboater to understand that your course is restricted when sailing hard on the wind, or that in light shifty winds you might have to change course 20-30 degrees all of a sudden not to go into irons. When I'm sailing I eyeball powerboats from a long way away and try to do as little as possible that will confuse them as the gap between us closes.
Having said that, some of the worst boaters I've seen for right-of-way infractions are sailors under power. Some people seem to have punched waypoints into a gps and refuse to alter course nomatter what. As a sailor, there's little that's more annoying than having to tack out of the way of a sailboat with the main up doing six knots under auxiliary.
|08-21-2009 02:13 PM|
Originally Posted by fud View Post
Your complication of the sailboat under power is right in that the sailboat at that point is no longer a sailboat (even if one or more sails are up). If you start turning on your motor while under sail, you're just another powerboat, which includes the fact that being on starboard is meaningless where other sailboats are concerned.
Good to chat about this.
|08-21-2009 01:58 PM|
I have to confess that I know zero about ISAF racing rules, but I do want to comment on one thing you mentioned.
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