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|04-26-2010 07:41 PM|
I have been a little busy working on the Bristol so I have not posted anything for a while. I have done a lot more deconstruction than I thought I would have to. I have to replace the forward starboard bulkhead (rotted out at the chainplate), The most forward chainplate knee is rotted, the lower corner of the starboard v-berth is rotted. That is just a few of the issues I am having. On a happier note I started recoring the cabin roof. All of the core was wet. I am using 2 1/2" strips of plywood and West System Epoxy. I am wetting out the plywood and fiberglass and then mixing a batch with silica filler to bond it all. It seems to be strong enough as i have stood on the roof and it is not flexing. I am getting off the tug Thursday and will be at it again. I have both sides of the deck to do next to the cabin. I will not have this even close to finished for this season, but will take more time to do a good job for next year. Once this all starts coming togrther i will post some pictures. Happy sailing Don
|11-09-2009 12:49 PM|
The deck re-core is easier than redoing the bottom, IMHO. We're doing both. Our core is soft from the shrouds forward to the pulpit, also the cockpit sole forward of the pedestal, and the port cockpit bench. Use a roto-zip(or similar) with an "edge" attachment or jig, or a small 4-6" bladed circular saw to do your cutting. Use a palm sander with 50grit to remove what core the putty knife won't. In a larger area you can use a grinder with 50g on a sander attachment(LIGHTLY!). Properly bedded marine grade plywood will do instead of replacing with balsa. In curved areas, use 2 thinner sheets rather than 1 thick for ease of maintaining the curvature of the deck. There are LOADS of online videos at MAS products, West System, YouTube, etc. on how to do glasswork or recore on cockpit seats and decks. For a semi step-by-step that's VERY helpful, check out "Glissando" and all their projects.
Pearson Triton #381 Glissando | Deck Recore Project
|11-08-2009 10:32 AM|
Regarding the head, I would seriously consider glassing over the through hulls and just putting one of these in:
No more pump-outs, much less maintenance. When it get's time to replace my head, that's the way I'm going. Plus you'll get extra stowage or water tankage where the holding tank would have been.
|11-08-2009 07:35 AM|
I am back out on the tug and haven't had time to answer or comment on anything said. I am not going to try to bring this old girl back to "Bristol" condition. I do want her to look nice and to be comfortable. I said earlier here or on another forum that I am aware of the time, expense, and numerous future headaches involved in this project. I plan to do all the work I previously spoke of and a whole lot more. I received the boat pretty much gutted out, so putting in something like a marine toilet and holding tank now is the only way to go. I can rebuild the inside cabin anyway I desire but have been downloading as many pictures of interiors that I can. I will stick to as close to original plans as possible. I think I will have to address the deck re-core before I go into the water. I truely believe I have the skills to get this job done. I will be taking as many pictures as I can and posting them when I can. I really do appreciate the input, positive and negative. Thank you all.
|11-05-2009 10:19 PM|
Hold the Chain saw
Hold that Chain saw. Not everybody thinks just because it needs work and is not the best of what new you should trash it.
I got and old truck that most people think is worth less. But it's paid for and works for me.
If you want to learn about boat repairs you got to start somewhere. If you keep it simple do some research and take your time, you can learn a lot. It will be work and Jeff's right it be a nonprofit rebuild. But if you smart and watch your money. You can clean her up, paint her up, and get her in the water next spring so you can go sailing. If you like the way she sails you can do more as time goes on. Think twice about ripping apart the deck to fix a soft spot unless it is unsafe. The big questions are, what is a must do and what is like to have. Must do's are all about is it safe and will it sail this way.
|11-03-2009 07:01 PM|
At the risk of being the naysayer, I know the Bristol 27's quite well. In their day they were very mediocre boats with very mediocre sailing ability. These days they have become way over rated by people who have not sailed on enough B-27's and on the better boats of that era and the immediately following era.
The reality is that no matter how carefully you restore this boat, it won't have much resale value. No matter how much care you expend in your restoration process, it would be nearly impossible to get over $10,000 for the boat when you go to sell her and you can find these boats in reasonably clean, and totally operable condition for something on the order or $5-6,000.00.
And to properly restore one of these boats, it would be very easy to spend $15-20,000 just in materials and equipment and hundreds, if not thousands of hours of time.
It is for that reason that boats like these are sometimes said to have a negative value, by which people mean that it will cost more to even make reliably sailable than the boat will ever be worth....
Which is not to say that many of us haven't fallen into the trap of buying some old boat that pulled at our heart strings and spent years and a fortune putting the old girl back in shape. I certainly have....
My best advice is this, if you are extremely skilled at marine carpentry, fiberglassing, plumbing, sailmaking, uphoplstery, engine rebuilding, and marine finishes, and you truely look at boat restoration as your hobby, and you expect to keep the boat for a very long time and not try to sell her, and you have so much money that you don't care how much you flush on the project, then by all means proceed with this labor of love. Do a simple and reliable job of it, don't try to make her into a brand new boat, and try to keep your costs to a minimum.
Otherwise, if restoring this boat is not a hobby, and you don't have gobs of money to waste on this project, see if the person who gave you this boat will take her back (or else cut your losses with a chainsaw taken to this mess and dispose of her properly) so that you can look for a halfway decent design to learn to sail and to pour your love into.
|11-03-2009 03:45 PM|
I would not put in the head. I would just do the projects that need to be done to get the boat in the water. Get the topsides and the rest of the hull in a coat of paint, get the rig up, make sure she doesn't leak. Plop her in the water and go sailing. You will probably be in somewhere between $3,000 and $10,000 at this point. Then start worrying about little projects, like fixing up the interior, installing conveniences, rewiring the electrical, bedding stuff.
Fixing the core will be a gargantuan project, but if you love the boat, it can be done. Remember to always bed your hardware correctly, and make sure that all of that (plywood?) core is well sealed under a layer of GFRP or at the very least epoxy.
|11-03-2009 01:52 PM|
Haven't heard from you in a while. How goes the refit?
|10-16-2009 02:59 PM|
Naw, do it right! Take your time....
Take your time, do it right! Don't let desire get in the way of common sense. Any mods need to be done now rather than later. Buy only the materials needed for the part your doing now. You may change your mind about something get stuck with something you no longer want or need. Having some pix of a "complete" B27 interior would be helpful. Then...Rip it out, clean it up, paint it, put it back.
Start with photographing the entire interior and exterior, as-is. Remove everything out of the boat that's not tabbed in. First, strip the bottom. Do whatever glass repairs are required inside AND out; i.e. bottom, deck and deckhouse cores, hardware mounts(ALL! every cleat and stanchion, decored and rebedded), portlights, etc. Scrub everything down, clean, inside and out. Inside: Add tabbed "knees" to where new "furniture"/galley is to mount (This means having a Plan). RECLEAN. Paint the inner hull/bilge with a barrier coat (tinted if you like) and final coat. Add mods (tankage, etc). Rewire. Add furniture. Finish. Now the rest of the exterior......
Do it right, and maybe she'll last another 30 years.
|10-14-2009 10:16 AM|
|tugboatdon||I have posted some pictures on photobucket so you all can see the road ahead for me. (Pictures by tugboatdon - Photobucket) I have already spent numerous hours on the internet researching parts, pictures, opinions, materials and anything else that I can think of. I have noticed that the majoriaty of the things I have read about Bristols in general are favorably. I will keep posting pictures as I progress with this project. I am first going to replace the sole and then start on the ribs in the v-berth for planking. this will all happen after a great deal of time cleaning. Well as always Happy Sailing|
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