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11-27-2009 02:32 PM
Blackwatch
addendum to Soclare

Soclare makes very good replies about the Tartan models, but it should respectfully be pointed out that the Blackwatch 37s were hull nos. 1-15, produced from 1965 to mid 1968. Hull numbers 16-32 were also produced, as Soclare correctly notes, and these were named the Tartan Classics, 1968 to 1970, when the factory burned down. On the Classic, the head was moved forward and portside, a change in the kitchen area and also available with a centerboard, as well as having a straight coach house, whereas the Blackwatch was only offered in a full keel. More history on the Blackwatch boats can be found at Tartan Classic 37 Blackwatch History
11-22-2009 09:25 AM
T37SOLARE 37-1 was the Ted Hood designed Blackwatch, 1967-71 (32 built)

37-2 is the Sparkman & Stephens Classic, 1976-89 (486 built)

37-3 is the Tim Jackett designed 372, 1988-93 (60 built)

The Tartan 38 is the deep keel S&S 37 with a slightly taller rig. (54' vs 52')
11-22-2009 12:53 AM
wannabe4 Thanks Jimscal.

Can anyone explain why there is such a difference in the ratings between the T 37-1, T 37-2 and T37-3?

What year[s] was the T 37-1 manufactured? T37-2? T37-3?

Thanks...........
11-13-2009 10:49 AM
T37SOLARE A few of the last boats produced had Scheel keels. About 10% were deep keels, they are sometimes referred to as a T-38.
11-13-2009 10:41 AM
JimsCAL
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Originally Posted by T37SOLARE View Post
FWIW, the T37-1 is the Blackwatch model, 37-2 is the S&S classic and the 37-3 is the jacket designed 372.[/IMG]
Thanks for the clarification. Looks like they have three versions listed for the T37C. I was only aware of the deep keel and Cb versions. Was there really a shoal keel version?
11-13-2009 12:19 AM
T37SOLARE
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Originally Posted by JimsCAL View Post
Here's the data cut and pasted from the national PHRF database. Numbers are low, high and average ratings based on data from the different regions. Could be your region has a reason to rate the two versions differently. Later 37s do show differences based on the keel.

TARTAN 37-1 168 174 171
TARTAN 37-1 CB 168 177 171
TARTAN 37-2 126 150 132
TARTAN 37-2 K 126 129 126
TARTAN 37-2 SD 126 141 129
TARTAN 37-3 129 129 129
TARTAN 37-3 SCHEEL 117 132 123
TARTAN 37-3 SD 114 141 126

FWIW, the T37-1 is the Blackwatch model, 37-2 is the S&S classic and the 37-3 is the jacket designed 372.

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1. How does the T 37 CB point compared to other cruisers such as Valiant 40? Tayana 37? Cal 39? Sabre 38[fixed keel]

2. Regarding leeway, is it minimal and of little or no concern? Or is it something that could make clawing off a lee shore more challenging?
The 37 will outpoint all but the Saber, but I'd only give it 2-3 degrees advantage.

Leeway IMO is not an issue on the T37C.

11-12-2009 10:07 AM
JimsCAL
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Originally Posted by sailing_fool View Post
Actually, the PHRF ratings are decidedly not the same. I own a T37 fixed keel (6' 7" draft) and can tell you that I must carry a lower PHRF than a CB boat.
Here's the data cut and pasted from the national PHRF database. Numbers are low, high and average ratings based on data from the different regions. Could be your region has a reason to rate the two versions differently. Later 37s do show differences based on the keel.

TARTAN 37-1 168 174 171
TARTAN 37-1 CB 168 177 171
TARTAN 37-2 126 150 132
TARTAN 37-2 K 126 129 126
TARTAN 37-2 SD 126 141 129
TARTAN 37-3 129 129 129
TARTAN 37-3 SCHEEL 117 132 123
TARTAN 37-3 SD 114 141 126
11-12-2009 12:50 AM
wannabe4 Ladies and gentleman, thank you VERY much for such insightful comments. As always sailnet comes through!

A couple more clarifying questions?

1. How does the T 37 CB point compared to other cruisers such as Valiant 40? Tayana 37? Cal 39? Sabre 38[fixed keel]

2. Regarding leeway, is it minimal and of little or no concern? Or is it something that could make clawing off a lee shore more challenging?

Thanks tons guys!!!
11-11-2009 07:57 PM
chef2sail Look at a C&C 35 MKIII K/C. Points closer and sails faster than the Tartan 37s we have encountered. Jib tracks further inward to deck house. Double spreader rig vs single. Slightly faster boat and made well like the Tartan. PHRF rated 120-127.

Also check out Sabre 36. Another quick well made boat

Dave
11-11-2009 07:39 PM
sailing_fool
Tartan 37 CB vs. Keel

Actually, the PHRF ratings are decidedly not the same. I own a T37 fixed keel (6' 7" draft) and can tell you that I must carry a lower PHRF than a CB boat.

I have sailed aboard several CB T37's and they perform well to windward with the board down. My fixed keeler will outpoint them by a few degrees and will not exhibit as much leeway while doing so - hence the lower rating.

Off the wind, things equal out. They are similar on a reach and a run, although the CB boat gives you the option of board up to reduce drag when running.

Tom Wells
T37 #224 Higher Porpoise
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