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|03-20-2010 02:42 PM|
Allied Princess 36'
I just purchased an Allied Princess 36', so far I love everything about it. The reverse steering wheel with worm gear steering system is great and it really opens up the cockpit. 4'6" draft with 5000lbs of lead at the bottom makes her extremely stable at sea. plenty of storage, and she looks damn good. The price you can get this boat at is also unbeatable. Its a buyers market, make them an offer and they will accept.
|01-28-2010 07:32 AM|
The Cascade36 is interesting. ( I looked at a listing a few months ago) IIRC it has a rather large bowsprit.
The CapeDory36 (now the Robinhood36 I believe) is another I like the lines of and it sure seems like it would be a comfortable boat and still have some decent speed.
Hinckley 38 made my list also although it's not as pretty as the Pilot 35 or B40. Faster though!
Tartan37 of course.
And I'm surprised JEFFH hasn't chimed in here.
|01-27-2010 07:37 PM|
As far as the non-skeg rudders are concerned, wander around a boatyard and look at boats that are hauled out. In many cases the rudder and its post are holding the skeg on. If you shake a few you'll see where the strength comes from. If I was having a boat designed today it would be a spade rudder without a skeg. Built with suitable strength of course.
As far as the older Spencers, yes they are older but if well kept and upgraded that isn't always a problem.
I agree with the bowsprit comments as there are also anchoring issues to deal with and it's a lousy place to be when it's rough.
|01-27-2010 05:50 PM|
|3Reefs||All makes sense, Mitiempo. Only probs with Spencers is there seem to be few around, they can be very old -- even by standards of those of us hunting for old boats! -- and the cockpits look massive. But of course none of that need outweigh the many good points. Sabres seem to have a terrific build and reputation, though the old-fashioned salt in me has trouble getting used to that non-skeg-hung rudder. Is it a deal breaker or do I need to 'get with it'? The Southern Cross has good specs and seems right for the job. However, they have bowsprits, possibly not a deal breaker, but a bank balance breaker in marinas. Anyone else want to rank boats according to which will look after you best in a bad blow? What I can make out of Bristol 40s is that they certainly can cross oceans, but are not designed explicitly with that in mind. The enormous cockpits and absence of a bridge deck obviously come to mind. Of course that too can be rectified and would be worth rectifying if the hull/construction/stability etc amounted to a true blue ocean boat. The Valiant 40 has one major problem, at least for me, and that's cost. Valiant 37s.... maybe ideal?|
|01-27-2010 05:14 PM|
The Spencer 42 is essentially an enlarged Spencer 35. If you compare their numbers on Sail Calculator Pro v3.53 - 2000+ boats you'll find they are very close. These both predate the Valiant designs. The reason I put the Southern Cross and the Sabre farther down is that they can't all be first. The only boat on the list I am not exited about is the Bayfield, a design I have never liked the looks of, both above the water (bowsprit with trailboards) and below the water (keel a bit long).
|01-27-2010 04:56 PM|
Mitiempo, thank you for that decisive looking reordering of my shortlist. can you shed a bit of light on your thoughts? The Valiants, given everything I've learned, seem to deserve the top spot. The V40 at least has successfully ventured into Southern Ocean passages. Everything seems to suggest the 37 is just a smaller version of the same fine boat. The Spencer 35 -- I know that has an amazing record of passagemaking, including the famous Hal Roth expeditions. But I have found little feedback on the 42. Is the 42 truly an equal but bigger version of 35 in this respect? How do you put Southern Cross and Sabre midway? They seem to have a lot of good points. Not the name recognition of PSC and Shannon to be sure. Any more feedback much appreciated.
|01-27-2010 04:32 PM|
|01-27-2010 04:30 PM|
Southern Cross 39
Wauquiez Pretorien 35
|01-27-2010 04:13 PM|
Ranking by seaworthiness
Hi, thanks Sailordave for seizing this thread by the horns. I started a new one doing the same thing. To avoid further confusion, would be great if everyone stuck to this one, since it's already kicked off.
But PLEASE can everyone stick to the idea of my original question:
NOT enter a general discussion about bluewater cruisers, but rank the shortlist of ocean boats I drew up and rank them ONLY for seaworthiness. NOT for beauty/livability/ etc. Just performance in the rough stuff, resistance to capsize, happiness in gale conditions, construction of hulls, rudders, etc.
Discussing beauty and comfort is so subjective. I'd really like if for once we focused on the single most important attribute of a true 'go anywhere' boat: ability to sail in all conditions.
|01-27-2010 02:31 PM|
The Spencer 35/42 are both long keel designs similar to the Alberg 37 and many others. Very solid boats many of which have crossed oceans and circumnavigated. The late Hal Roth's Whisper is a Spencer 35 and a neighbor is currently near the Horn in his 35. The Spencer 1330 is a more modern design with a long fin keel and a rudder on a substantial skeg. All were very well built. Here's the link to the owners group SYOG-index
Here are the profiles of the 35, 42, and 1330 There is a later version of the 35 with a shorter boom and a slightly taller mast and a squared off rudder.
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