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4 Hours Ago 12:24 AM
Rocky Mountain Breeze
Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

I am amazed and relieved that so far nobody has brought out the "DON'T YOU KNOW THIS IS AN OLD POST!!!" comments. Thank you all.
9 Hours Ago 07:53 PM
RegisteredUser
Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

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Originally Posted by krisscross View Post
Things usually go bad when I get complacent, cocky, push the envelope, take avoidable risks, or when I'm in a hurry. There always comes punishment for such behavior, sooner or later, and then we sober up, become more humble, more prudent, more respectful.
And that is not just in sailing. The whole life is like that.
Good post.
I'll add fatigued to that list, for me.
9 Hours Ago 07:47 PM
krisscross
Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

Things usually go bad when I get complacent, cocky, push the envelope, take avoidable risks, or when I'm in a hurry. There always comes punishment for such behavior, sooner or later, and then we sober up, become more humble, more prudent, more respectful.
And that is not just in sailing. The whole life is like that.
9 Hours Ago 07:17 PM
RegisteredUser
Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

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Originally Posted by MikeOReilly View Post
....The vast majority of emergency calls come from powerboaters.......
1- buy it
2- have it fueled
3 - load cooler
4- see how fast she will go

Because it's easy is why
9 Hours Ago 07:11 PM
MikeOReilly
Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

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...Sailboats have always been a small number of fatalities and accidents. Why? lots of reasons. As mentioned, speed is one. … Another factor here is simply that most people who get into sailing as an adult realize they need some training. Sailboats are not turn key boats. There are literally thousands of people who buy a powerboat and all they ask is "how do I start they engine?" In many states now there is a boating course or exam requirement, and that is good, but there is still no requirement to actually get hands on training on how to operate a powerboat.
I recall talking with a long-time Canadian Coast Guard member. We got talking SAR experience and he echoed your findings. He said it is rarely sailors that get into trouble. The vast majority of emergency calls come from powerboaters. When I asked why, he said (like you) that it was b/c sailors tend to be more skilled boaters.

My experience with booze on sailboats also agree with your observations. The cruisers I know do not drink while the boat is underway. The beer comes out once the hook is well set, or dock lines are secured, but never underway.

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We carry no firearms. Reality is scenarios I've heard about from fellow cruisers are:
Quiet boarding while you're asleep- petty thief (dinghy etc.) or sudden assault by multiple armed vermin. If you think a hand gun would be of any benefit you are fooling yourself. Being caught with an Uzi or the like in the countries we've seen means a life behind bars. Even then unless you are sleeping with it under your pillow it's meaningless. Things move too fast.
This is consistent with what most cruisers say. They are mostly a useless tool … unless you’re in polar bear country
10 Hours Ago 06:18 PM
RegisteredUser
Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

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..... or sudden assault by multiple armed vermin. If you think a hand gun would be of any benefit you are fooling yourself.......
I'm firmly camped in the Fooling Yourself group.
You didn't list 12g.
11 Hours Ago 06:02 PM
peikenberry
Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

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I think someone needs to send that memo out again, because there are a whole lot of sailors out there that I don't think ever got it
I didn't say "all" . One thing you learn in the military is that there is always that 10% (sometimes more) that doesn't get the word.
11 Hours Ago 05:11 PM
cboscole
Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

Interesting thread. When discussing the topic "fear" it is about one persons fear vs another persons bliss. We encounter fear as a natural protection instinct when we are uncomfortable with our surroundings. Fear can be debilitating and prevent one from acting promptly and properly to adjust to surroundings to keep them safe. Some say the only thing to fear is fear itself. A small amount of fear though can keep you alert and respectful of natures power in the ocean. I have had my knees shake when hiking on a cliff ledge to the point i had to crawl back....but when offshore one night I was the one who went on the foredeck to fix the roller furler, it had to be done and fear played no part but to keep me alert as waves pushed me into the lifelines. I am recalling my first offshore trip from PNW to Hawaii. We did all the usual safety precautions but I had one crew that insisted that the longer we stayed at sea the more the risk. This meant that he wanted to pound the boat to windward when we encountered a low pressure system just to keep us on the rum line. I disagreed, that it was safer to steer away and head off the wind for a day or two away from rough conditions until more favorable wind/waves would back us to our direction. Pounding to windward is hard on the boat and fatiguing to the crew and when people are tired is when accidents happen. The shock loading on the mast and rigging and keel is tremendous when the boat crashes and falls down off waves etc. Its no wonder racing boats are dismasted. but that happens to cruising boats for another reason: failing to adequately maintain standing rigging. There are times when going to windward is required, lee shore, or general prevailing winds etc. but otherwise the one thing that you can count on is change out there and going with the flow of wind/waves is always preferred and I believe safer. That may be the difference of philosophy between racers and cruisers. After 3 ocean crossings I am most concerned with collision floating objects debris, logs, docks, containers etc. and so slow down at night to minimize damage from impact and post vigilant day watches. It is when we become complacent that is dangerous. Anytime you get in the car you are depending on the other guy not to cross the center line etc.
12 Hours Ago 05:03 PM
outbound
Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

Been gone from here for awhile off cruising. See things much the same.
We carry no firearms. Reality is scenarios I've heard about from fellow cruisers are:
Quiet boarding while you're asleep- petty thief (dinghy etc.) or sudden assault by multiple armed vermin. If you think a hand gun would be of any benefit you are fooling yourself. Being caught with an Uzi or the like in the countries we've seen means a life behind bars. Even then unless you are sleeping with it under your pillow it's meaningless. Things move too fast.
Catastrophes are usually a cascade of difficulties from little things. Currently in harbor fixing waterpump to genset. It goes on when there's no wind/sun to make water. Although we carry multiple flats of "survival" water it the kind of thing that really affects your life. Just like no food unless the propane stove works. Hence we carry survival food needing no heat or refrigeration.
We are replacing the wire between ssb tuner and insulated backstay. Small thing but on passage it's needed to get Chris Parker although satphone is our backup.
We are getting rid of splitter to improve AIS signal.
All little things but the kind of things that could cascade into big troubles. There's a stressor that doesn't go away " what did I forget? What didn't I do"?
12 Hours Ago 04:59 PM
twoshoes
Re: How "afraid" should we be of sailing?

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Originally Posted by peikenberry View Post
...but most sailors know that the booze comes after the sail, not during or before.
I think someone needs to send that memo out again, because there are a whole lot of sailors out there that I don't think ever got it.
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