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12-14-2016 12:33 PM
Capt Len
Re: No Mans Land

We've got a similar place just south of Victoria. Lovely spot ,used to be the leper colony ,apparently still used by army to practice throwing hand grenades at each other. The lovely bay on the west side is studded with old pilings broken off at the low water mark so beware if you are planning to lunch hook there. Don't ask.
12-14-2016 12:23 PM
Waterrat
Re: No Mans Land

I do share and understand the fascination with all of the locations where we are not supposed to go or is rarely visited.
12-14-2016 12:17 PM
Waterrat
Re: No Mans Land

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Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
The island is completely closed to the public.

https://www.fws.gov/refuge/Nomans_La...and/about.html

I hate the BS wildlife scam. This is simply a quarantined island with unexploded ordinance that the government isn't willing to clean up. They should clean it up and give it back for public use or even sell it for private use.

No doubt we need gunnery ranges somewhere, but then own up.
I agree they should clean it up which it appears they may have done. Though I am all about having islands and land where people are restricted due to wildlife habitat. There are very few places in the world that people don't completely dominate and or drastically alter. The USA has virtually no wild lands that don't have cattle, logging, roads etc etc. Humans are a parasite and if we have to say there is a ton of exploded ordinance to keep people out then so be it. I have traveled to many of the most remote places in the continental USA and have worked as a wildlife biologist. It is a major understatement that humans screw up the ecosystem on enormous and catastrophic scales.

I have also worked on military bases where unexplored ordinance was an issue. We could survey the areas but need an escort and would set up point count locations and follow one way in and out. Some ordinance is live and some are not but I like my life and my legs and am content to not take the risk.
12-14-2016 10:29 AM
cascoamarillo
Re: No Mans Land

Yeah, that piece of the chart has always grab my attention too. Not sure if you cross the pink border the CG or Navy is going to show up with their heavy duty equipped patrol vessels.

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Originally Posted by eherlihy View Post
I figured that the claims of unexploded ordinance were greatly exaggerated. It's used as a justification to provide the birds their piece of land where they won't be bothered.
Still, I wouldn't drop the anchor near by...just in case
12-14-2016 09:45 AM
Buzzards Bay Nomans has always fascinated me as well! I came upon an interesting article some time back that explained that Gus Bendavid was instrumental in keeping the island as off limits, and for good reason! The island is kind of a microcosm, and is good for seeing how species rebound without much human presence.
12-14-2016 09:33 AM
eherlihy
Re: No Mans Land

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Originally Posted by krisscross View Post
Wiki says: "The eastern third of the island has been managed by the Fish and Wildlife Service since 1975. Following an effort to clear the island of ordnance in 1997 and 1998, the rest of the island was transferred to the FWS for use as a wildlife refuge, primarily for migratory birds."
That means that island was cleared - FWS folks would not risk their hide to work there from time to time. To me, the advertised risk from unexploded ordnance is likely overblown and used to deter people from going to the island. Practice ordnance is usually very different than standard issue stuff - very small explosive loads.
I figured that the claims of unexploded ordinance were greatly exaggerated. It's used as a justification to provide the birds their piece of land where they won't be bothered.

My questions are if anyone here had ever stepped ashore, because I know that some people have, and whether you can cross through the "pink box," or if the coasties will chase you out (either over the radio or in person). I guess that I would need to remember to turn my AIS transponder to "receive only" if I were to visit.
12-14-2016 08:57 AM
capecodda
Re: No Mans Land

When engaged in our "dark side" fishing activities on a power boat, we go by Nomans all the time on the way S towards fishing grounds. Depending on if we go E or just S, sometimes we'll transit between Nomans and Aquinna or just down the W side. What is interesting is if there is any sea running, this area is usually the roughest part of our trip. Shallower water combined with tidal effects. There's also quite a bit of commercial fishing gear in this area. We've never gotten really close, so not much help on that account. One barren looking place for sure. In August, we've caught mahi within site of Nomans, bring your rod.
12-14-2016 08:40 AM
krisscross
Re: No Mans Land

Wiki says: "The eastern third of the island has been managed by the Fish and Wildlife Service since 1975. Following an effort to clear the island of ordnance in 1997 and 1998, the rest of the island was transferred to the FWS for use as a wildlife refuge, primarily for migratory birds."
That means that island was cleared - FWS folks would not risk their hide to work there from time to time. To me, the advertised risk from unexploded ordnance is likely overblown and used to deter people from going to the island. Practice ordnance is usually very different than standard issue stuff - very small explosive loads.
12-14-2016 06:55 AM
Minnewaska
Re: No Mans Land

The island is completely closed to the public.

https://www.fws.gov/refuge/Nomans_La...and/about.html

I hate the BS wildlife scam. This is simply a quarantined island with unexploded ordinance that the government isn't willing to clean up. They should clean it up and give it back for public use or even sell it for private use.

No doubt we need gunnery ranges somewhere, but then own up.
12-14-2016 04:15 AM
seannguy
Re: No Mans Land

I have heard about this No Mans Land, but have never been there. Hope to be there soon..
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