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|02-27-2010 08:13 PM|
|pk5352||Thank you Nick, thats a very kind offer. Will keep you posted...|
|02-27-2010 07:55 PM|
PK5352 - Welcome aboard SN. I think you will have a great trip. When you get closer to the departure date chime back up or send me a PM - I keep my boat on a mooring in Mt. Sinai harbor. In the beginning of the season (April and May) I do many weekend trips all over the sound with my own boat so there could be a good chance that my mooring will be free.
If that is the case you can stay on it overnight if you choose Mt. Sinai as your end of Day 1 destination.
|02-25-2010 08:44 AM|
Barryl, Good point about the draft for mattituct. I just checked and a Sabre 28 has a 4'8" draft. With a waterline of only 23' he's looking at hull speed of 6.5 knots I doubt that he would want to run WOT all day so I still think an average speed of 5 knots workable for planning.
I'm a gluten for sailboat punishment so I would run the entire trip in 1 day. I plugged in the route from Glen Cove breakwater to Dering Harbor on SI. I used 5 knots as my speed I set the date as Sat. May 8 to factor in the proper tide and currents.( On May 8th Slack at the gut is 7pm ) Leaving at 5 am I arrive at dering at 9pm
In May most boats will still be on the hard so dropping a hook in dering will be easy. Anyway, thats what I would do.
|02-24-2010 10:48 PM|
In the summer of 2007 I did a Mt. Sinai to Montauk trip. I timed the tides right and did 54 miles in 8 hours, for an average of about 7 kts. There was very little wind so I motorsailed most of the trip. In my boat ('day 35) I can motor at 6-6.5 kts all day long.
So going from Mt. Sinai to Shelter Island would be about the same distance. It would be a long day, but definitely doable.
It's shorter from Glen Cove to Mt. Sinai, so you could go to Mattituck, but at Mattituck you will have a long trip up the river to the harbor. Mattituck gets very shallow and if you use the tides correctly, you will arrive at Mattituck at low tide. I was there in 2006 and saw 3.5' on the depth finder in the middle of the channel. Fortunately, my boat draws 4' and the transducer is 2' below the water. If you have a deep draft boat I would skip Mattituck.
If you are just looking for a place to spend the night, Mt. Sinai Harbor would be a good choice. It's easy to get in and out of, and it's a very short trip from the Sound to the harbor (about 5 minutes). The downside is there is almost nothing there. Ralph's Fishing is there if you want some quick food and simple heads, but that's it. If you need provisions (I don't know why you would on a 2 day trip, but who knows) then consider Port Jeff or maybe Milford on the CT side. The downside for those is a much longer trip (20-30 minutes) into and out of the harbor. If you want to anchor then maybe going to Milford would be your best choice. It's about the same distance as the Long Island side marinas.
|02-24-2010 10:09 PM|
I second Mattituck as a decent stopover/harbor of refuge. Yes, the entrance can be a bit tricky but if you post a lookout on the bow you should be able to see where the deeper channel is. Not sure what your draft is as it can be a bit shallow.
Going the other way we stopped in at Mattituck coming from 3 Mi. Harbor. Free town dock to tie up to but it is all the way in near the town. The next day we made it to Huntington even with stopping in Port Jeff. for refueling. We probably could have made it to Glen Cove but Huntington was the plan and Glen Cove the next day on a leisurely schedule.
One advantage of using Mattituck is you are only an hour or two from "the Gut" so it should be easier to catch the tide going your way.
I hope you have wind but plan on motoring a lot of the way. It is either blowing stink (seen 40 - 50 knots off Port Jeff in Bene505's boat) or the 'Dead Sea' (not enough wind to fight the tide when on my boat). Depends a bit on the seasons and spring can bring fog.
It is a fun trip. Just be prepared and enjoy it.
|02-24-2010 09:26 PM|
|pk5352||Thanks chef2sail for the input. Very helpful. Also, thanks Brezzin. I like the thinking on stretching for Mattituck on day 1- as i've been researching more, Mattituck seems a more possible 1st leg destination- of course that assumes i make decent time and can project a decent arrival time as i pass Sinai- i understand Mattituck can be a tricky inlet in good light, so I would certainly be mindful of arrival time. The upside is I have people in Mattituck and that local knowledge could be helpful. My next step is to start looking at Eldridge and checking the tides on certain dates and start gaming out the itinerary. Thanks all- will keep the thread posted as things develop and all additional input is obviously welcomed.|
|02-24-2010 09:11 PM|
Back in October We did Mystic CT to Glen Cove in a day on a Lagoon 4400 about 12 hours in total that day. We averaged probably a little over 8 knots because it was a nasty day and we motored from the inside helm. I know you can't do this but quite honestly I think you can probably average around 4 to 5 knots. Now Glen Cove to SI is approx 81 total miles. Glen Cove to Port Jeff is 29 miles from breakwater to harbor entrance. So your right, day 2 will be a killer.
I think you should try to get at least to Mt Sinai Harbor. I know its only about 4 miles further but that's an hour less the next day. I don't love the idea of going over to the CT coast because it will add 3 to 4 hours to your total trip time. Remember that you never go as fast as you plan to. I think if you motor the whole way day one you can (actually will have to if you go past Mt Sinai) get to Mattituck at around 53 miles. That makes day 2 an easy 30 mile run. Giving you more flexibility going through the gut. You can be drinking a beer at Claudios by 3 pm.
|02-24-2010 09:09 PM|
This summer one of the legs of our trip to Marthas Vineyard is a leg from Mt Siani to Greenport/ Southport/Shelter Island. We are planning one running with the tide through the gut and it is a long 8-10 hr day (5 knot average). Our weather port or bail out along the way would be Mattiuk Inlet
|02-24-2010 05:27 PM|
totally agree- i only meant that in the sense that I will not be doing an overnight sail. absolutely planning on the possibility of a pre-daybreak departure maybe on both days. Thanks for the tips.
|02-24-2010 05:20 PM|
I'd highly recommend that you be a bit more flexible about sailing during daylight hours only. To make the tides at Plum Gut, you might need to leave before daybreak. You want to make sure you get to whereever you're stopping for the night before dusk. Dusk is the worst time to enter a harbor, especially a strange one.
I'd also recommend that you look over the charts and make a page for each harbor that you might have to bail out at that lists the navigation marks and compass courses you'll need to enter them safely. Trying to look this stuff up in an emergency is a bad idea.
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