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06-28-2010 02:38 AM
truckmen
Sailing past your neighborhood too...

Quote:
Originally Posted by jdglasse View Post
I made this trip last November on my Pacific Seacraft Mariah 31, and it was a blast. Like you, I obsessed over this portion of the trip for weeks; the truth is that if you time it just as you describe, you'll find yourself flying past Manhattan in no time, and having a lot of fun in the process.

My only word of caution would be to watch out for sudden strange changes in current while riding down the east river in such a strong tide. Once your through the scary hells gate portion of the trip, it's easy to get complacent and think the worst is behind you, but I had one or two surprise course corrections due to turbulence. Nothing to worry about, just stay on your toes until you are through the Manhattan bridge, where things start to widen a bit.

Leaving at 8 AM from Stamford CT, I made it into Chelsea Piers on the Hudson River side of Manhattan around 3:40 pm. A fair amount of that time was spent fighting the same currents that rocketed me down the east side of the island as I traveled north on the Hudson.

If you find yourself tempted to overnight at Chelsea Piers, drop by for a sundowner. I'm on Pier 70.

cheers,

Jeff
Hi Jeff,

I too, am planning to sail my old 1972 Tylercraft 26 up the East River this coming August/September. I am coming from South Bay, Long Island. My final destination is Bucksport, Maine, where I call home. Do you what the costs are for staying overnight at a slip at Chelsea?

Oh, and I added you to my buddy's list. :-)


Ralph
04-13-2010 09:03 PM
CalebD Glad to hear you got her home.
Enjoy the boat.
04-13-2010 04:03 PM
tommays Glad you made it safe
04-13-2010 03:20 PM
mikeytino
Much Thanks!

Hello friends,
Well, after all the planning and all your wonderful advice, we've completed the journey.
Hell's Gate was actually a breeze with the proper timing, and the NY Harbor was beautiful.
Coming out of the Verrazano into Coney Island was fun, but when we hit Breezy Point, the currents changed and the wind slowed to a still. It set us back several hours, but after waiting it out, we were able to make it home to Long Beach.
The Catalina 22 held up very well, the motor however was working it's bum off.
If anyone's interested in seeing the log with photos and videos, I posted it on www.hooklineandsillet.com

Thanks again everyone for all the great advice. I look forward to passing on the knowledge I've learned thanks to you to other sailors.
03-30-2010 09:53 PM
sailor25b
time lapse current loop

Here's a cool link to help you visualize the complex currents around Manhattan.
Watch the loop a few times to get the idea of it.

http://hudson.dl.stevens-tech.edu/ma...ncontrol.shtml
03-30-2010 09:37 PM
vadimgo Just to add my 2 cents.

I did the trip from Northport to Raritan bay (up to the Seawarren, NJ) in 23 ft finkeel).
However, I did it in two parts. In the middle of July from LI to Marina Basin in Brooklyn, Gravesend Bay. We took off late at night, slept for a couple of hours at City Island. Early start at 5 am. from City Island, great ride with the tide and got to the dock at Brooklyn by 9 am. That was my first sailing season but had an experienced friend as a captain. The outboard turned out to be reliable and at 9.9 HP plenty of power. I've stayed for the summer at Marina Basin and moved the boat for winter to NJ in october. That was a trip I will remember.

The stretch of NY bay going trought Verrazano is a great wind funnel. If the conditions are right, you are for a quite a bumpy and breezy sail.
Some old salts that saw my face that day while unloading at the dock in NJ asked me why I did not use the inside passage by Staten Island.
But, since you go further south, it probably makes sence only if the weather turns bad and you would have to wait before Sandy Hook somewhere.
03-30-2010 06:42 PM
Tempest Hi Mike,

The High tide at the Battery is at 7:07 a.m. on sunday and 7:46 a.m. on monday. Then the current turns...and heads out to sea.

If you're looking at Eldridge...and you look at the little inset window for 2 hours after high tide at the battery...you will see that it's slack around Brother Island...( 9:07 am) and the current has turned already at Hells gate.
But is only around 1.8 in the gate. ( less elsewhere) This is fine. The currents are given for Spring Tides. The 11th is a new moon. So you could hit Hells gate at 9:00 am and carry fair current..all the way to Rockaway..and weak currents until around 2:15 pm on sunday...before it turns against you.

You have to re-calibrate if you go..on Monday..it will be about 40 minutes later.

Does that answer your question?
03-30-2010 06:32 PM
tommays Stevens Maritime Center: Urban Ocean Observatory

This is the WHAT is REALLY going on as the current books are greatly affected by weather


Are last time through for 2009 ALI race(starts off Rockaway )race a miracle happened and ALL the currents lined up to leave Northport at the crack of dawn and its was a boring trip

RIGHT up till about 5 miles north of the Verrazano at which that free ride on the current ran into the building south wind

Another big issue right NOW is there is NO chart for the south shore inlets due to the winter storms



If you study the chart the sharp left turn to head east is full of shoals and in and kind of sea its really easy to find bottom So you have to go pretty far offshore before you head east
03-30-2010 05:53 PM
CalebD Great advice from everyone about the East River.

I'll mention your approach to Long Beach.
If you are planning to use East Rockaway Inlet to Reynolds Channel or Jones Inlet to get to your destination be aware that on an ebb tide these inlets can and do throw up some big breaking waves due to the outgoing tides. The currents created by the outgoing tide are also capable of reaching a couple of knots.
Try to time your entry to slack tide or early flood.
I also don't know where you plan on bringing your C22 and there are a bunch of 20' clearance bridges behind the barrier islands.
Hopefully you knew all of this already.

I found out about the large waves at Fire Island Inlet when I helped a friend deliver his new MacGregor 26S up to Yonkers. The ebb tide created some 10' rollers that made for an interesting introduction to the ocean. Once past the mini-race caused by the ebb tide it was smooth sailing all the way to NYC. Good weather had a lot to do with the success of that delivery.

I like to use the current charts/maps for figuring out what the current should be doing and when.
03-30-2010 05:31 PM
mikeytino
current maps vs tables

Quick question on Eldridge:
The tables show that the current is going to flow southwest around 830/9am on Sunday or Monday.
However, the maps (tidal/current charts) a few pages later show that the currents flow southwest 2 hours after high tide...

Can someone clarify?

Thanks again.
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