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10-28-2010 06:30 AM
SVAuspicious Great discussion.

I enjoyed the mention of the HR40 above. I have sailed and lived on my HR40 Auspicious for four years (original layout) and was the delivery skipper for Pusteblume (classic layout) from Daytona Beach FL to the Annapolis Boat Show.

There have been implications in this thread that speed is not important in a cruising boat. I recall one other poster disagreed. Put me firmly in that camp. A little time trimming any boat to get an extra knot on passage is a big deal. From Annapolis to BVI (I leave Monday *grin*) that can take two days off the trip. As much as I like ocean sailing I'll take that time thank you.

In making speed the crew is more important than the boat. Certainly there are faster boats than the PSCs, but if the crew can't move the boat it doesn't make any difference.

I generally agree with Jeff's comments early in this thread but disagree with his conclusions. The boat you buy is not particularly relevant IF YOU DO ONE THING. Go racing on other people's boats. There is no faster way to learn than to race. The experience you have from your youth is a very good foundation and big boat racing experience will do nicely on top. There will you learn about backstay adjustment, halyard tension, leech cord adjustment, cunninghams, and jib car leads.

While you are racing and learning you might also want to do some chartering. Aside from the beauty and pleasure of the islands, you will learn a lot about what is important to you in a boat. It's a great way to recruit your family into the idea as well. Money well spent.

Also give some thought to joining one or more of the crewing services like or 7knots. It's a good way to get ocean passagemaking experience. I sail with sailopo (and have crew from them next week) and have only good things to say about them.

You may well still end up with a PSC (your boat has to speak to your heart - all the data is less important) but in the end you'll be able to move the boat effectively and be happy with your choice.
10-27-2010 08:18 PM
BMLipiec Island Packets were on my short list when we bought our last boat. I liked almost everything about them except they were not designed for ease of maintenance (which unfortunately is more common than not).

Nothing on a boat lasts forever (something about sun and saltwater). In order to replace water or fuel tanks on an IP you have to cut the fiberglass floor apart to get to them. In order to replace chainplates you have to dismantle the woodwork inside the boat and cut through layers of the fiberglass hull to remove and replace.

PSCs are not perfect boats in this regard either (which boat is?), but they can be worked on without major demolition. The fuel tank lifts out of the bilge via a hatch in the floor (Bonus - the tank will fit through the companionway without slicing it up into pieces). Chain plates are also easier to replace without gutting the inside. Want to add something on deck - unzip the headliner and install backing plates as needed.

This was a major selling point and tipped the scales for me when trying to decide which boat. The more I sail and work on Indigo, our 34, the more impressed I am of the design and workmanship.
10-27-2010 08:18 PM
MC1 I've been giving this question a lot of thought and I've come to the conclusion, there's really no good choice other than a Pacific Seacraft . . . . Actually, a few thoughts pertaining to various earlier posts . . .
1. New to Sailnet - Welcome!
2. Lack of a forward bulkhead on a PSC31 - Creates a very spacious open look and feel - I've only ever heard PSC31 owners say good things about this interior design
3. Single-handing a PSC 34 is very manageable
4. I totally agree with WMJR . . . "As everyone knows, every boat is a trade-off but being in love with what you are sailing is worth more than [any] other factor."
5. Of course Jeff's right - PSCs are not the optimal boats to learn sailing on; I still agree with WMJR though
6. Tiller vs. Steering Wheel - A "religious" matter with many pros/cons either way- Lot's of other posts on this topic on Sailnet
7. My slip neighbor has an IP35; we've compared notes a bit between his boat and my PSC 34 - my conclusions (maybe not his): both are good offshore boats, IP is a little better at the dock, PSC is a little better with sailing performance. . . . Another related "religious" issue - encapsulated vs. bolted on keels - lots of other posts on this topic as well
8. Other boats of interest . . . . Shannon, Valiant, Hans Christian, Cape Dorys, etc. - Perhaps these appeal to those of us who appreciate a touch of the traditional look, and those who'd be willing to pay more for a solid high quality build while perhaps giving up some on the performance side. Those who put the emphasis on higher performance or more features-per-dollar certainly make good counter-arguments as well.
9. Sailing up to the dock - Work toward that level of skill; don't get rid of the engine nonetheless. Getting involved in racing can be a good way to fine-tune sailing skills, provided the captain allows you try out different tasks with some frequency. You might need to find a little more casual racing club rather than sailing with the highly competitive types though (else you're likely to just be rail meat )
10. Recommendation: PSCs hold their value well - buy now in this down economy, try it for a while and if you're not 100% convinced, sell when the economy rebounds! You could actually make a decent profit! (well, maybe not . . . but why would anyone really sell a PSC anyway?) Enough dreaming and analyzing! On with it my good man!

Good luck!
10-27-2010 03:01 PM
Ip 350

I did a one week charter on an Island Packet 350 (down in Punta Gorda FLA).

It is a sweet boat. Down below there is a lot of room, and a wonderful layout.

It takes A LOT of wind to get it moving, and doesn't beat to windward well (but why beat to windward anyway).

I don't think I could ever get it in and out of a slip without a bow thruster

But as far as a seaworthy smooth riding sailboat, it's great.

I too am delighted with my perfect PS 31.
10-26-2010 02:16 PM
bjung I always thought our dreamboat would be a PSC 40 or 44.
However, we were very impressed with the HR 40 at the Annapolis Show. They had to call security to get us off the vessel.
If they only offered the boat without the teak deck.
But for now, our 31 is perfect for us.
PSC 31
10-26-2010 12:13 AM
Originally Posted by RJSD View Post
I've owned a Shannon, Bristol Channel Cutter, Valiant 42, Seawind Catamaran, Catalina, Hunter, and several dinghies. I suggest you go and buy the boat that moves you. How many times have you sailed this summer? Not sailing...... buy another Laser and get out there right now. Don't waste another good sailing day trying to figure out which boat to buy. My wife has more fun with her $350 sunfish, then our $350k Valiant. For each hour you spend doing research on the web, you should at least match it with an hour out sailing.....
Wow! Nice list. HOw did the Shannon and Valient compare?

Funny that almost one one answered his original question. My answer to "If not Pacific Seacraft what?" would be:

Hans Christian

as I perceive them to be similar sort of boats. Maybe also:

Cabo Rico, Island Packet and Tayana though I don't know as much about them and have never sailed on or even walked through any of them. I did 8 day trip on the Hans, sailed on a Valiant and have been on board a Shannon at dockside.
09-20-2010 07:16 AM
Originally Posted by Loos1 View Post
I completely agree, PHRF, or the speed of the boat generally is not a deciding factor for me overall by any means. Just something to consider among various other priorities. Given my total lack of experience on the ocean, the seakindliness, or overall displacement generally, might well be at the top of the list, and by definition we'd be giving up speed to acquire that quality.
Loos & Everyone else out there considering ratings, here's something to have a look at.

A bit of history: John Neal on his website has a list of cruising boats and their perceived merits. The linked document below sort of grew out of that list, or at least the idea for it did. I'm not the originator of this spreadsheet but have been contributing to it over the last year or so and refer to it frequently when I'm out virtual-shopping/dreaming.

The performance specs & formulae have been taken from a variety of recognized sources and while not to be used as a definitive guide to "what's best" can certainly be an aid in comparing different designs and models.

Have a look and I hope that you all find at least some value in it.

08-21-2010 10:39 AM
sck5 A boat to look at in the same size range as the PSC 34 is a Caliber 33 or 35. Usually cheaper than the PSC and definitely faster, and does just fine on ocean passages. Might be on the small side for a Pacific transit but much smaller boats have done it.
08-20-2010 08:57 PM
Loos1 Here's a different one I've been curious about.

How many of you sail up to a dock in your 20-40 foot boats? I of course realize that many factors might not make it feasible (or safe) in a variety of circumstances, but there are also (or so it seems) occasions when it seems perfectly feasible.

I once saw a beautiful and sleek 50 footer do it (with perfect precision) into the Inner Harbor at Baltimore. It was quite something to see! Of course they had a crew of about 7 nimble young sailors, but that's not the point.

I remember thinking out loud to my brother, hey man, we can do that! The conditions were perfect for it.
08-20-2010 08:26 PM
Loos1 What great stuff RJSD. I remember as a kid, sitting with some friends on lazy afternoons waiting for a trickle of air to flutter the leaves of a small tree in the yard. When the magic moment came (more than just a passing trickle) we'd suddenly rush to our cars, throw in the sailbags, in my case with the two-piece mast protruding 3 feet out and away from the car window, race to the lake and hurriedly rig the two small dinghies to catch the Summer breezes. Those days colored the course of my life, and I have remained a particularly spontaneous sort ever since. When the wind blows, it's time to go sailing. I am not one to sit at the marina.

I started this thread not just to hear what other boats PSC lovers like, but simply to ask a variety of questions. And your reply reminded me of a question, with respect to "freedom". Some may find it odd, but the new paradigm massive security state of cameras, data collection, tasers, etc. etc. etc. is what brought me to revisit my lifelong dream of taking to the sea, and perhaps for extended cruising if I can find the courage. So here goes... When I went out on the ocean for the first time this year in a 28' sailboat (as a passenger as mentioned previously), it was a rather quiet Thurs. late afternoon. Not much activity out there (off the Ocean City NJ inlet). We were approached on two occasions by a Coast Guard boat (medium size and quick). They came to about 1/4 of a mile or so, clearly in our direction, lingered awhile, presumably training considerable optics on us to determine our activity. This happened twice during our 4 hr. cruise. Additionally, a Coast guard helicopter (and not a small one) made a pretty close pass, only 150 ft or so off the water, and maybe only 5-600 feet horizontally from us, circled, kinda buttonhooked and departed. Again, there was no one else around so they were clearly investigating us. We weren't doing anything to speak of, save perhaps drinking our lone beer of the trip so maybe that was it. All that to say this..

Is this normal? But more importantly for me, how often have some of you been boarded? Is it commonplace, and can anyone provide a synopsis of just exactly what the rules are exactly with regard to this kind of thing? While I am not guilty of anything, I take being searched by authorities in any situation very seriously and begrudgingly. I would love to hear some various stories from some of you on this matter.

And a different question....and I'd like to start a different thread on this one. For those of you that have actually set "out" to sea, and have run across the inevitable gale, can you describe the experience a little? Is it just rank fear, like one might feel for their house if a tornado was headed your way, or is there some sense of I am in control and have confidence in a successful outcome? It's those big waves crashing onto a partially submerged bow that scares me (at night?), or getting pooped I guess they call it from behind.

How many of you have had a sizeable wave of water come over the side and flood into some of those beautiful teak interiors these boats I dream about have? That would seem like a pretty substantial goof, but lots of the boats I've looked at (online) appear to have been flooded a time or two.

Thanks, and sorry so long.. hope you guys are all out on the water and don't have time to reply!
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