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07-01-2006 10:39 PM
Wuurk I think if you need to ask "do I need a survey" you definitely need a qualified person to look at the boat. The cheaper the boat, the more potential for problems. Also, note insurance issues.
06-25-2006 04:46 PM
Pay for what you get

"This allowed me to get the boat well under the asking price and also made sure I knew what I was getting myself into."

Besides the obvious benefits of preventing you buying a pup, the ability to pay for what you're really getting as opposed to what the seller would want you to believe you're getting is very useful. Even small deviations from the stated condition can result in meaningfull reductions in the selling price.
You could possibly save at least the value of the survey and get peace of mind for free.
06-22-2006 01:10 PM
Pirate's Booty My survey cost $16/foot, but I am in California - it was more than I wanted to spend - but in the end it was worth every penny. I found out some things about the boat that the owner had not mentioned (there is a oven and stove, but they are not hooked up to a gas tank and do not work). This allowed me to get the boat well under the asking price and also made sure I knew what I was getting myself into.

I would recommend it for anyone. (And I did need it for insurance anyhow.)
06-22-2006 12:25 PM
cardiacpaul depending on the area of the country (and proliferation of surveyors), you're looking @ 13-15 per foot. (up to 30 ft)
06-22-2006 12:09 PM
camaraderie Hey CardiacPaul...what range would a surveyor typically charge for a 22-25' sailboat? Seems to me that even with a $6k investment, you could easily recoup the survey cost with just finding a few things wrong that you didn't otherwise know about.
06-22-2006 09:50 AM
sailingdog I'd recommend getting survey, even at the low end of your price range. As someone has pointed out, if the boat turns out to have serious problems, you can have a lot of trouble and expense of getting rid of it.
06-22-2006 09:34 AM
Valiente Always get a survey. Always. I'm getting one this week for a steel boat, so I invested a fair bit of energy in finding the rare surveyor who specializes in metal boats.

As for size, the market is very soft (due to aging boomers and "footitis") for small cruisers. You can get completely rehabbed and perfectly good Sharks here in Toronto for $4,000-$5,000 because nobody wants a 24 foot boat, even though they are a near perfect trailerable dry-sailer that is robust enough to race and to sail in the rare instance of 30 knots on the Great Lakes.

If you are looking for a daysailer or a "camping" type experience, and are a beginning sailor, go for older and heavier. In the '70s, I would argue the majority of boats were sold at the 26-27 foot range, and a lot of meticulous first owners are now giving them up, having maintained and updated them for 30 years.

A guy here last year had to drop his 1985 Newport 27 (a C&C hull with a raised deck) to $12K before it sold. The N27 is a decent "weekend" suitable for a couple with enclosed head, galley, six-foot V-berth, etc. It will also take heavy weather, although it's too light to work to weather in moderate seas without pounding.

The point? If your needs are modest, you can get a hell of a lot of good old boat for not much money these days at the under-30 foot level. You can change out the brown plaid upholstery later .
06-22-2006 09:32 AM
cardiacpaul sigh....

"Forgive them Lord, They know not of what they do"
06-22-2006 08:44 AM

Even at six grand I would get a survey,Have you ever tried to get rid of a 3000 pound pile of trash thats about 7 ft w and 23ft long. A survey on a boat that size might cost you 200-300,but could save a lot of wasted time and energy,not to mention MONEY.Good luck with your search.
06-22-2006 08:19 AM
Jotun How important is $6,000 to you? Most of the advice I have gotten has been to get a survey.
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