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|05-29-2013 09:24 PM|
Re: 34' Wylie for fun
Does anyone know if the hull is cored or not? If it is cored, would it be safe to guess that it is balsa?
|05-16-2011 11:30 PM|
Thanks for your input. I agree the list has grown and become a little diverse. It's a mixture of what I want and what is currently available locally. Your post has given me some more info though, so thanks for that.
|05-15-2011 04:48 PM|
C&C 1/2 Tonner
Gorman Express 30
That's quite a growing and diverse list. The difference between a Hobie 33 or Olson 30 and Olson 911 is huge, as is the difference between the J-29 and J-30. You kind of have two lists here. Honestly, I'd start to eliminate the less cruise friendly boats unless you plan on doing some racing as well. The S2 9.1 and Olson 911 both perform well, will cruise nicely,
but cost more up front.. much more. The J-30 is slower, and finding one that's in good shape will take some patience, but might be a good choice if you like boat work. The Hobie, Olson, and Express 27 are ULDB boats, and are very different creatures than the rest of your list. There are a lot of J-29's on Puget Sound doing a whole lot of nothing, and a good one should go for 17-19k and perform better than the old C&C half tonner. For myself, in the ULDB's, I like the Express and the Olson. I'd rather own the Express as it'll be cheaper to run with smaller sails, and I"m . Of the more cruisey boats you've mentioned, I like the 911 and would look for a Pacific Boatworks version (the 's' rather than the 'se' ). In the end though, it might be more a matter of finding a good deal on a good example of one of the boats you like. Just don't be surprised when you realize the Olson 30 can be quite a handful!
Correct on the J-29/J-30. Same hull, less freeboard. The J-29 is faster. In the PNW, the masthead version would be prefered. There's a immaculate J-30 at Shilshole that'd be on my list even though I'm not really a J-30 fan. Looks like it came out of the showroom last week. J also made a J-28c, which is a nice little boat, but like the J-35c, is very expensive.
|05-13-2011 08:51 PM|
A little amplification regarding the J/29 vs J/30: Although they were laid up in the same mold the J/29 has about one foot less freeboard than the J/30. The J/30 was wildly successful; as I recall Tillotson-Pearson built about 700 in the three year production run. When the Olson 30 destroyed the market for the J/30,the mold was trimmed to make the J/29. The J/29 is a availble in two configurations: masthead rig with a diesel and fractional with outboard power. Needless to say, shaving a foot of freeboard severely reduces the accomodation found on the J/30.
The J/30 is easy to single hand with a fractional rig and a bendy mast. Commonly it is cruised with a #2 or #2 on roller furling although that might be underpowered in light air.
|05-13-2011 08:41 PM|
grrrrr or is that ARRRRRRG....
I knew the laser was a farr, but put Kirby down......oh well, he did design the small on, Tony castro who designed my boat did the SB3 version....... yes it is a bit tender to a degree based on coments from an owner here in Edmonds both David and I know who recently sold his. But still a fun boat, and barren to a degree too. About the same length etc as my Arcadia, but half the wt, along with 40-50 secs faster.
I did not realize the K30 was a newer design, thought it was the Kirby half ton that Clarks initially speced, then declined, Kirby had built and a few others bought, the Clarks built later as the SJ30, with a bit more sail/ballast to make the half ton rule or some such thing...... then again, sometimes the brain fogs up, and confuses facts from facts. The SJ is still a quick boat for around here.
A farr 1020 if one can find one is another I like, but not many around. A boat along with the L28 the Farr used to sail IIRC with his family cruising etc.
But all good boats for around here. I would also take a fractional J29 over the MH 29 or 30 personally. Probably a bit easier to SH/DH. Likewise if setup right, the L28 might be too. The Attalia I mentioned, altho an MH rig, about 32' OA, 30'ish on deck should be easy to SH< or set up to do so also. The Cal9.2/Rush, with the pinched stern to me would be a tough SH rig. Must less with a crew.
|05-13-2011 08:27 PM|
Originally Posted by blt2ski View Post
The K 30 and SJ 30 are very different boats. The SJ 30 is a IOR leftover with the typical pinched ends of that era and a masthead rig. The Kirby 30 is quite a different boat, wide transom with full quarters, frac rig and not based on any 'rule'... probably a much better behaved boat. Both are designed by Bruce Kirby but at very different times.
The Laser 28 is a good boat, well built and responsive but (despite Jeff H's prowess) a tad tender for shorthanded sailing but will reward the sailor with an exciting ride. She's designed by Bruce Farr, not Bruce K. The laser's interior, while not plush, is very practical with the snap-in fabric storage 'bins' and interior-wise she's pretty cruisable. Good friends of ours, experienced sailors, raced/cruised a Laser 28 for years but now sail a more sedate and comfy Ericson 32.
|05-13-2011 07:22 PM|
IIRC the Cal 9.2 is a Jeanneau Rush, but built here in the states. "IF" you see one of these around, take a look at it also.
I also believe the J29 and 30 have the same hulls, different cabin, rig etc. May be more SH doable vs a 30. Pudding may have a better feel on that than I do.
There are also some Jeanneau Attalia's floating around a bit more modern version of the Rush/C9.2, about the same to slightly faster, ie less than 10-15 secs faster......Looking up phrf, the Attalia is 144-174, 9.2 derivatives 155-174, the Rush is not listed at USSA. Must not be enough to get a listing in the rating list. The Attalia is probably a better handling boat with a slightly wider stern than the 9.2/Rush.
If you like the Kirby 30, a San Juan 30 is really similar if not the same. Or the SJ is based on the K30, but slightly different due to a few odds and ends. It is an IOR Halfton the Kirby designed IIRC. Or Kirby's Laser 28 might work, altho probably not quite as nice an interior as the others on the list. THere are a few of those around here too. about a 145 rating.
|05-13-2011 02:34 PM|
34' is my absolute max. I'm thinking 'less is more'.
So with that in mind, my short list is as follows:
C&C 1/2 Tonner
Gorman Express 30
My list has grown a bit.
But before I pull the trigger on any one of them, I have to sell my other boat first, which isn't happening quickly enough for me.
So, I'm now toying with the idea of moving my boat down to California, then Mexico, but that is a whole new thread I guess.
|05-13-2011 02:14 PM|
A few others to look at if you're thinking 33-34': Olson 34, Express 34, j-33, Frers 33.
All great sailing boats, cruisible, and faster than the Wiley, though may cost more. A little smaller, and an Olson 911s or se would also be a great boat that performs well and cruises comfortably.
|05-13-2011 08:32 AM|
Thanks for the post on your Wylie 34.
It's currently on my short list.
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