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Topic Review (Newest First)
01-11-2011 08:34 PM
Windwardbow Thanks Brian for your reply. It was very informative. Now I know the difference.
01-11-2011 03:11 PM
BrianFortress
Final note

I thought you guys might to see the very first Fortress anchor.

Ain't she a beauty?

Take care,
Brian

Fortress Marine Anchors
01-11-2011 01:38 PM
BrianFortress
Thank You!

Gents,

As it appears that this post has wound down, I would like to thank you all for taking the time to read and respond to it.

I believe that many worthwhile insights and opinions were shared, and I wish you the best in fun & safety on the water.

Enjoy,
Brian Sheehan

Fortress Marine Anchors
01-10-2011 03:41 PM
BrianFortress
Sorry!

Gents,

My sincerest apologies for spewing Fortress commercials in a couple recent posts on this thread.

I think I got into trouble when asked for the differences between Danforth and Fortress, as it was hard for me to discuss differences without also mentioning what I believe are advantages, and I think I got a little carried away from there.

Sorry again!

Brian

Fortress Marine Anchors
01-10-2011 03:34 PM
BrianFortress
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailingdog View Post
I"d point out that while an aluminum anchor may not rust, it can corrode. This would especially be the case if someone were to use a stainless steel shackle or swivel on it.
True. Extremely rare, but not impossible.

Thanks,
Brian

Fortress Marine Anchors
01-10-2011 02:08 PM
sailingdog I"d point out that while an aluminum anchor may not rust, it can corrode. This would especially be the case if someone were to use a stainless steel shackle or swivel on it.
01-10-2011 01:51 PM
NCC320 Cable on Anchor: In the case that I saw it used, the boat owner simply put a loop of cable perhaps 6 feet long (end to end of loop) with the stainless steel cable passing through a shackle at the anchor and shackled at the other end to the chain (chain and rope rode). I've only known him to use it in named storms. It's easy to remove and or re-install for storms, but is a real bear (according to him) to get up as the anchor is totally buried when the cable is used. It held in at least one major storm when the same anchor allowed the boat to drag ashore in the previous year's storm. As reported for Matthews Point, the bottom is very deep soft mud or mud/sand mixture.
01-10-2011 11:11 AM
BrianFortress Referring to "real world" or "real life" examples of what readers might want to see when considering an anchor, may I humbly submit the following e-mail message that I received a few years back:

From: "WDB6054@.com"
Date: 06 Apr 2004 23:30:00 -0000
To: "brian@fortressanchors.com"
Subject: Testimonial

TESTIMONIAL - FORTRESS ANCHOR

I was sailing into Conch Cut leading into Georgetown, Exumas in the Bahamas. Just as I was passing over the reef bar, I switched off my autopilot to hand steer over the bar and into the deeper channel when I heard a "pop" and my wheel steering spun freely.

I had the full Genoa out, and without rudder steering, the bow fell off heading straight for the nearby island of Channel Cay. I immediately diagnosed the problem of a failed steering cable and released the jib sheet and cut the motor.

In my horror, I realized that my boat, an Irwin 37 foot ketch, my only home, was completely out-of-control and headed for the rocks in just seconds. As a matter of routine I always keep at least one anchor ready to go, but in 30 years of sailing experience I had yet to do an emergency anchor deployment.

I raced forward, terrified as the island cliff was rising before me, and immediately released my Fortress FX-23 with 50 feet of new stainless steel chain and about ten feet of 5/8" nylon rode that was already secured to a cleat.

As the chain was rapidly running out I said a quick prayer that the anchor would bite first time, there would be no time for a re-set before the impending shipwreck disaster! My heart was pounding!

I gripped the bow pulpit and braced, watching the rapidly approaching cliff which was now a mere 100 feet away, as the chain ran out. Suddenly all 22,000 pounds of my sailboat came to a stop and executed a 180 degree turn in 2 seconds.

We were now safely at anchor in 15 feet of water in a 3-4 swell with the stern of my boat JUST 30 FEET FROM THE CLIFF!

The Fortress anchor had saved my life and my boat!

Several passing boats radioed and offered assistance. After letting my heart rate come back down to normal range. I was able to motor up and retrieve the somewhat bent anchor, and used the autopilot (which attaches directly to the rudder quadrant) to "fly by wire" to a safe anchorage in Elizabeth Harbor, Georgetown.

I have returned this beloved anchor to Fortress in Ft Lauderdale and they have replaced it with no hassle.

Sincerely, Capt Joe Greno - s/v SAGA Georgetown., Bahamas
01-10-2011 06:39 AM
BrianFortress
Quote:
Originally Posted by LinekinBayCD View Post
Sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree. What real world experience information have we received in this discussion? What use are second hand comments about someone using a CQR for a long time without knowing where it was used, what scope was used, what was the force exerted when the anchor draged or was damaged? And without being able to compare the one anchor being used with others and how they would perform in the same conditions.

Why do you think the tests are not "real world?"All the tests I have read are "real world" tests, real anchors. real water, real bottoms, real boats pulling on the anchors, repeated over and over with many types of anchors. Its is just that the objective results are measured and recorded. They are not hypothetical mathamatical exercises. Its prety hard to measure the fifference between subjective comments. That is why I believe controled tests are far more valuable. That is why they crash test cars, have test pilots test planes, do drug tests and studies. Real world comments while of value cant be controlled or measured.

BTW never saw a test where the CQR was even close to the top.
I am dumbfounded by the fact that these other anchor manufacturers provide little, if any, of their own test performance data on their anchors. I cannot comprehend manufacturing such an important piece of safety equipment as an anchor, and not provide the public with this critical information.

I shudder to think that they have not provided it because maybe they don't even have it.

As an example, we provide hard sand and soft mud holding power numbers. This will give you a responsible "best case, worse case" performance scenario.

Regards,
Brian Sheehan

Fortress Marine Anchors
01-10-2011 06:27 AM
BrianFortress
Quote:
Originally Posted by LinekinBayCD View Post
Why don't you post a translation of the Italian test and at least the video of the Fortress if you cant post the other makes. What year was the test? That is the type of info that whould be helpful for people making anchor decisions.
LinekinBayCD,

I found the test online and it provided only a summary and no video. It was conducted in 2001, and I will see if I can get it translated and the Fortress video portion posted.

A quick glance at what happened: The diver was standing on the sandy bottom near the anchors being tested. He zoomed in with his camera so you could clearly see the name of each anchor.

Apparently, a signal was given to the testing boat above to motor forward at idle speed. The flukes of the Fortress immediately engaged the bottom, and the anchor & chain were completely buried within seconds. The bottom rumbled like there was an earthquake as the anchor buried deeper and deeper.

The plow types performed quite differently, as they initially flopped to one side and kicked up a dust storm as the boat idled forward. The single fluke finally engaged the bottom off in the distance.

Regards,
Brian

Fortress Marine Anchors
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