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04-06-2011 08:41 AM
SVAuspicious
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Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
Interestingly, I am still having a hard time finding significant evidence of boat fires that started from propane leaks from any source, big tank, small tank, bbq, galley, etc.
Agreed. I made the switch to a hose and a big tank because I got tired of getting one dinner out of a 1# can that vented the rest of the propane. I'm a fairly conservative guy and although I have the grill mounted so I can go offshore with it, I'm not comfortable with the 1# hanging down from underneath.
04-06-2011 07:00 AM
Minnewaska When gas is compressed, it generates heat. When decompressed, it dissipates heat. Refrigeration was born after this understanding.

I suspect many of the leaking cylinder stories are the result of removing the bottle after usage in the right conditions to have literally frozen the tank valve. Turn it on very high in the right temp/humidity and any cylinder will show signs of icing, even the large ones. Even on large tanks, you may mechanically tighten the valve against the ice, but when it melts, it could leak as well. All usage, no matter how it's stored, disposed, etc, should probably leave the tank attached to the grill on the rail until it returns to above freezing temps.

I would, however, always remove it from the grill and secure the tank before storing the grill. I don't think grill valves were designed to secure tanks for storage.

I agree that propane storage should be vented and I'm simply moving my 1lb bombs to the propane locker, wih safety caps installed. If that doesn't satisfy the naysayers, I can't imagine the remaining safety problem.

Interestingly, I am still having a hard time finding significant evidence of boat fires that started from propane leaks from any source, big tank, small tank, bbq, galley, etc. Given the number of boats that simply don't have any available vented storage, I find this interesting. If you live in fear of propane, you really should gut check the age, condition and who has done work on the wiring on your boat, particularly the low voltage 12v wiring. That is actually the number 1 killer, by multiples.
04-06-2011 05:39 AM
scottbr
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Originally Posted by chef2sail View Post
Scottbr

I think the answer to that was one of the first discussions in this thread where cannisters were beibng stored in unvented lockers or lazzarettes, Reattaching a canister to a BBQ which is portable and is stowed in a lazzerette where it could leak is unsafe. The safe way to store, capped or uncapped bombs is in a vented locker or outside. In leui of that it is even cheaper, safer and more friendly to to T off a larger reusable tank with a valve in a vented locker IMHO.

Dave
The valve is separate from the grill, at least on the Magmas, such as the OP. Take the valve off, attach cylinder and store propane as you would normally. I've had this happen to me before. Storing propane in an unvented space is unsafe, valve or no valve.
04-05-2011 07:59 PM
chef2sail Scottbr
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Why not just reattach it to the BBQ valve and turn it off....
I think the answer to that was one of the first discussions in this thread where cannisters were beibng stored in unvented lockers or lazzarettes, Reattaching a canister to a BBQ which is portable and is stowed in a lazzerette where it could leak is unsafe. The safe way to store, capped or uncapped bombs is in a vented locker or outside. In leui of that it is even cheaper, safer and more friendly to to T off a larger reusable tank with a valve in a vented locker IMHO.

Dave
04-05-2011 07:45 PM
mgmhead So the lesson would be to NOT SHOOT BURNING PROPANE TANKS! Got it, thanks for the heads-up on that one. Who would have guessed?
04-05-2011 07:41 PM
SlowButSteady
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Originally Posted by eherlihy View Post
I would have been tempted to try this;
A different trajectory on that canister, and this little stunt might have made it into the next edition of the "Darwin Awards".
04-05-2011 07:35 PM
eherlihy I would have been tempted to try this;
04-05-2011 07:27 PM
scottbr Why not just reattach it to the BBQ valve and turn it off....
04-05-2011 09:15 AM
SVAuspicious It sounds like chef2sail has ended up with the same solution I have. In my case I got tired of paying the huge premium for the 1# cans. I have room in my propane locker for two US 10# propane tanks (actually it will hold two 8 kg tanks, but that's another rant). I got a hose from Dickinson (they'll make you any length you want, not just the two in their catalog). I keep one tank hooked up to the solenoid and regulator for the cooker below and the grill hose to the other. When I'm going to use the grill I simply hook the hose to the grill and fire up.

I can't recall having a 1# tank that DIDN'T leak. The 1 pounders are also not intended to be refilled. Just because you can do something doesn't mean it is a good idea.

My propane hose paid for itself in one season.
04-05-2011 05:11 AM
dacap06
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Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
I thought I would weigh in on Ranger's idea of leaving the bottle attached. On one hand, if the grill is on the rail, presumably a leak would spill overboard.

Why am I so attracted to propane discussions? I may have to go look for a propane and propane supplies forum.
M --

I should think whether a leak falls into the cockpit or overboard depends on the position of the leaking part relative to the gunwale and the relative direction and strength of the prevailing wind.

As to why you are attracted to propane discussions, I have no idea. But I'm sure we can all agree that one of the objectives of such discussions should be "no flames." Sorry. I cannot resist a good pun.
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