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08-14-2006 02:19 PM
sail to power boat ratio

Originally Posted by sailingdog
Unfortunately, there are far more powerboats out there than sailboats. However, that should be changing if the gas prices stay the way they are.
As one would expect there is already a glut of power boats for sale forming but the buyers aren't cooperating, so now watch the prices dive and the charitable donations increase. Of course since they changed the tax rules the charitable write-off isn't what it used to be either.

I just had a great weekend sailing 25 miles to Oxford, MD in two legs. Then we motored back in calm winds Sunday. The last two seasons the power boat wakes are much less down our way on the Chesapeake near Deale. At cruise speed I know that we used less than two gallons of diesel or about 6 bucks. I even buy road diesel for quality and don't worry about the road taxes, just livin' large on a 34 sailboat.
08-14-2006 07:56 AM
sailingdog Unfortunately, there are far more powerboats out there than sailboats. However, that should be changing if the gas prices stay the way they are.
08-14-2006 07:11 AM
Jeff_H That list is not a bad start but unfortunately, it is not a very good list for sailboats or for used boats. Its missing questions about rigging, electronics, and sail condition. It also does not make the sea trial a condition of the purchase or provide a list of items that you should be observing on a sea trial. It does not discuss a purchase from a private owner.

08-14-2006 01:52 AM
infonote This site may help you, it is a checklist.
08-13-2006 10:52 PM
sailingdog Just remember, even if you buy new, there is a fair amount of work that you'll need to do to get the boat sailable, at least in terms of things you need to customize, re-fit, purchase, and install.
08-13-2006 10:45 PM
hellosailor Ask some insurers, some will not take a new boat owner (without previous ownership or extensive experience) for anything over 28-30'.

If you can afford something all means. There's a steep penalty to be paid in the depreciation, but it also means you don't have to worry about the neglect and ah, creative maintenance of previous owners. And you can be sailing instead of fixing, at least initially.

OTOH, even with a new boat you want to check it THOROUGHLY, as builders and brokers (who usually do the final prep and mods) have been known to get things wrong. These days, if anyone can take the time to "do it right"...very few people can afford to pay for it.
08-13-2006 10:21 PM
Pressurized holding tanks

Originally Posted by camaraderie
Not a bad get enough hose and a Y-valve assembly to replace those and you're all set unless you crack the bowl!
BTW...if you ever can't pump the means the line is clogged AND pressurized! Ask me how I know!!!
Yeah, I've seen that too. The vent got clogged when heeled and mostly full. That happened a couple of times. Besides the handle not pumping the other clues were that the holding tank was bulging from pressure and there was a slight amount of nasty stuff escaping from the deck pumpout fitting. Yikes!

Now at least I have one of those Atwood fuel vent surge check valves in the vent line for the holding tank. That way at least the vent screen would get plugged if there is an overfilled situation. When the vent screen plugs you have a pressurized sewage system and no way to release the pressure.
08-13-2006 10:12 PM
two heads vs. one revisted

Ok SailingDog, I just returned from a few days on the Chesapeake. We did manage to get by with just one head on the vessel somehow.

Thanks for your additional thoughts on this. From your response to my "less is more ?" post I gather that even from your point of view it really depends on what head components are used and how the head system(s) is/are installed. It really comes down to proper engineering. I have seen multiple head systems installed independently without any shared plumbing. That of course can sacrifice some storage. As the vessel size grows with the same number of occupants, storage space becomes less of an issue. As with so many systems in sailboats and other things, there are always such trade-offs to balance.

Even with mutliple heads sharing a single tank, the inclusion of a few valves can ensure quickly isolating problematic head plumbing to keep the working head operating. Yes, I realize more valves means more maintenance and cost. Spending my boat bucks well towards the head plumbing has been a high priority on my vessels. The head systems are fundamental to the vessel function.

I originally objected to what seemed to be a blanket statement that having more than one head is not a good thing. The takeaway for me is that multiple head systems should be scrutinized for the types of weaknesses that you point out may exist.

Originally Posted by sailingdog

It depends on the exact layout of the boat...but on many boats, one of the heads will have a much longer run to the holding tank, and the hose that makes that longer run is much more susceptible to permeation, leaks, and other problems. Also, if the two heads are plumbed wrong, a problem in one can often take out both heads, by constricting or blocking the line to the holding tank.

Yes, having two heads on-board can give you the possibility of a backup, when one fails—but the system has to be properly designed to allow that...and in many production boats it is not. Also, having the second head might lead you to the false sense of security that you've got a backup, which may or may not be true.

It also depends on what actual marine head unit is installed. Some of the less expensive units are far less reliable than more expensive units.
08-12-2006 11:38 AM

Thanks... Hey, it ain't my honor, I've got no vested interest in them.

but, ok, so, you eat b'fast where I live to where every new one is floated and be home in time for a second cup of coffee.

FWIW there are a few 32's and 37's on the market too.
08-12-2006 11:28 AM
camaraderie Cardiac... we have friends who have circumnavigated on a Valiant 42 and (once blisters cured), it is a great boat and deserving of its' reputation. So...I will defend your honor! Here's my stolen list of offsore boat candidates (over 30'):

Valiant Yachts, Tayana, Cabo Rico, Pacific Seacraft, Bristol, Shannon, Crealock, Perry, CSY, Norseman, Mason, Moody, Derecktor, Brewer, Hallberg Rassey, Freedom, Passport, Hinckley, Bayfield, Corbin, , Little Harbor, Hood, Westsail, Hinckley, Bowman, Hylas, Camper Nicholson, Cheoy Lee, Cherubini, Hans Christian, Oyster, Westerly, Amel, Nautor Swan, Stevens, Baltic, Cambria, Kelley Peterson, Norseman, Alden, Island Packet, Taswell, Passport, Baltic, Caliber, Vagabond, CT, Formosa

Any others to add guys??
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