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04-22-2013 09:19 PM
Sailnteacher77
Re: Cuttyhunk 45

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Chris View Post
I have one built at Williams Boatyard, Falmouth, Cornwall, England. She is a custom one-off built with an Airex foam core. This is the only boat (ship) I have ever seen that has a bow and stern stem and longitudinal stringers throughout- in a fiberglass hull. These boats, depending on where and what they are made of surpass anything else ever built. Alan Pape's design is nothing short of pure genius. Mine is a Ketch/cutter. Really, they are a shrunk down China Clipper. This one points to 12 degrees apparent, and is superlative on any point of sail. I had her out off Bermuda in approximately 40 foot confused chop, 50 knot winds, and never took any water over the rail, only spray. If this was built in a reputable yard- buy her- you can't go wrong. In fact- Empresa won the Pepsi America's Sail Tall Ship Festival race in 2006 single handed. Took first in class, and first overall. Never been attempted before, and I suspect no one will ever try it again single handed. I can't say enough of these beauties! I would not trade her for a Hereschoff, Oyster or any other manufactured boat. The estimated replacement cost for her is 1.8 M USD. She IS NOT for sale- for any price... Need I say more?

I am also looking to purchase one of these vessels.. is anyone still on this thread?

Thanks!
jamie
08-17-2011 12:02 PM
bobperry I guess Chris doesn't want to play.
08-14-2011 02:11 PM
mitiempo More about Bob Robert Perry

And Icon
08-14-2011 02:11 PM
bobperry JohnB:
I think the best boats today, say like a TP 52 can point effectively with a AWA of up to 24 degrees. ICON can do 24 AWA. But the old IOR boats, as you say, seldom got above 29 degrees. The Valiant 40 with its cutter rig was happiest around 34 degrees but without the staysail you could maybe squeeze it up to 32 AWA. I think any cruising boat should be happy with 30 to 34 degrees. Many boats like the Cuttyhunk do not have the sheeting angles due to chainplates and jib tracks to get as high as our enthusiastic owner claims . If your chainplates are not on the 12 dgree line off centerline then tyou are going to struggle to get 30 awa.
08-14-2011 02:05 PM
SloopJonB
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobperry View Post
Chris:
"No slippage at all"?
12 degs AWA?
"35 knots with a 160% genny"

What is this an alternative universe?


If you have "no slippage" you have no lift. It's leeway that gives a keel lift.
ICON my carbon 65'er drawing 12.5' won the Swiftsure Race this year Class A.
ICON cannot point to 12 degs AWA.

I don't think you know what you are talking about. I am convinced you are a sailor at all.

But I'll hand it to you. You are entertaining.
Maybe his instruments need recalibration. Something certainly does.

By the way Bob - what IS a minimum pointing angle these days? I remember the best old IOR boats were noted for their pointing ability and they were lucky to get much under 30 degrees.
08-14-2011 01:51 PM
UPHILL Grumpy old man.

AKA, Bob Perry

Lets see, This might be his design

Saga 35



or this
Baba 35



2 world class "Sailing Machine" as quoted by aeventyr60



So I would have to say Bob might know what he is saying.......
08-14-2011 01:19 PM
bobperry Chris:
"No slippage at all"?
12 degs AWA?
"35 knots with a 160% genny"

What is this an alternative universe?


If you have "no slippage" you have no lift. It's leeway that gives a keel lift.
ICON my carbon 65'er drawing 12.5' won the Swiftsure Race this year Class A.
ICON cannot point to 12 degs AWA.

I don't think you know what you are talking about. I am convinced you are a sailor at all.

But I'll hand it to you. You are entertaining.
08-14-2011 11:58 AM
mitiempo Haven't figured out who the grumpy old man is, have you?

12 degrees? Only if the engine was running.
08-14-2011 11:56 AM
Captain Chris Hey Grumpy Old Man-
Don't matter to me what you believe, or not...
I won the America's Sail Tall Ship Festival Race (first place in class, and overall, Beaufort, NC, 2006) by cutting off 4 miles on the windward leg. NO other boat could. In 35 knots with a 160% Genny, she will point to 12 degrees apparent with no slippage at all. That is how I won the race. Single handed, I might add. Against professional crews...
Sounds like you need a better boat to me. The rest of the tall ship fleet certainly does.
cc
08-13-2011 10:01 PM
bobperry "Nice"?
I'm not trying to be "nice". I'm trying to be accurate and honest.
His boat is a wonderful boat but it cannot point 12 degrees apparent.
What's the pont of discussing the merits of different boats if we throw away reality?

A TP 52 does not point 12 degrees apparent.
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