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02-21-2012 05:50 PM
Umeds?
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Harken gear isn't cheap, they're just using modern materials instead of technology that is over 100 years old. Harken also deliberately removes weight were it is not needed. Anderson doesn't have any interest in light weight options. They are very nice winches, but extremely heavy.
They are using modern materials ON technology that is over 100 years old. I'm all for inovation and evolution. I'm also of the opinion that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". The Andersen products seem like they will stand the test of time, and for a cruising sailor, who wants a trustworthy and quality product, they seem to me to be the best option. They are not EXTREMELY heavy, more like: they are worth their weight!

I was convinced by Harken's marketing that the new Radials were a quality product, until i did further research on the forums and found that some people complained about certain types of lines slipping. Then i realized that the winches are made in Italy which to me represents a lesser quality manufacturing process (slightly better than "Made in China"). Finally, i realized that the price of the winches were CONSIDERABLY cheaper than other makes, not only the Andersens, which are of course the most expensive.

All this made me realize that i was skimping on the one piece of gear that should be the most trustworthy of all on a sailboat! If you can't winch in your sheets and halyards, you can't sail effectively. And if you can't sail effectively, you might as well not sail at all. Hence sending back the Harkens and ordering the Andersens (which i got for a great price btw: Andersen Winch No.40ST - 2 Speed).

Something has to be said in defence of quality gear and how unfortunately more and more manufacturers are willing to compromise on quality for the sake of more revenue (yes, i am talking about Rocna here too...).
02-21-2012 03:51 PM
SloopJonB
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Harken gear isn't cheap, they're just using modern materials instead of technology that is over 100 years old. Harken also deliberately removes weight were it is not needed. Anderson doesn't have any interest in light weight options. They are very nice winches, but extremely heavy.
Believe me, I KNOW it's not cheap. I just think a lot of it LOOKS cheap - take the stainless top of that winch - it looks like a sheetmetal stamping while the Andersens look like they were carved from a block of Stainless. I like things like winches to be heavy - it's reassuring. I have always thought worrying about 10 or 15 lbs on a 10K or 20K Lb boat to be a bit academic anyway - it you're THAT worried about weight, put yourself and the crew on a diet and leave the beer ashore.

Of course you aren't going to find high tech deadeyes & lanyards on my boat either.
02-21-2012 03:14 PM
zz4gta Harken gear isn't cheap, they're just using modern materials instead of technology that is over 100 years old. Harken also deliberately removes weight were it is not needed. Anderson doesn't have any interest in light weight options. They are very nice winches, but extremely heavy.
02-20-2012 10:13 PM
SloopJonB
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Rather than get all frustrated after getting the winches and not being happy with them, i sent the Radials back and got me a sweet pair of Andersens. 'Figured it's one piece of kit that shouldn't be skimped on.

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Outstanding decision. I'm not a big fan of Harken gear. I've had some and while it worked well, it always looked a bit "cheap" to me. The difference between those Harkens and Andersens really makes my point IMO.

Take care of those Andersens and they will outlive your grandchildren.
02-20-2012 01:18 PM
Umeds? Rather than get all frustrated after getting the winches and not being happy with them, i sent the Radials back and got me a sweet pair of Andersens. 'Figured it's one piece of kit that shouldn't be skimped on.

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01-25-2012 03:58 AM
Umeds? Jack, when you're single-handed and tacking, that's kind of hard to do .

Hardening overrides are mostly due to incorrect mounting of the winch, as mentioned by SJB, and having too many coils on when pulling fast on a sheet, as you mentioned.

Still, would be good to know if anyone has had experience either way (easing or hardening) with these particular winches.
01-23-2012 12:04 PM
jackdale
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What about the claim of "no overrides" when easing lines? Can anyone confirm that this is the case in real-world scenarios? I always found this to be a hassle with my previous winches.
Overrides when easing is unusual. I recommend holding your left hand against the coil on the winch and using your hand to ease out the sheet / halyard, etc in a controlled fashion. When hardening an override can be prevented by starting with two wraps on the winch and then filling the winch when all the slack is out and you need to use a winch handle.
01-23-2012 05:29 AM
SloopJonB
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What about the claim of "no overrides" when easing lines? Can anyone confirm that this is the case in real-world scenarios? I always found this to be a hassle with my previous winches.
Overrides are almost completely dependent on proper mounting of the winches so the line leads in to the drum at the correct angle. Achieving this almost always requires some degree of shimming of the winch or the turning blocks.

I've never had an override on a properly oriented winch unless the line was being hauled in hand over hand at too fast or uneven a rate - in that case the line gets too loose on the drum and begins to "float" over itself.
01-23-2012 01:10 AM
Umeds? I find it odd how they didn't discover the issue with the high tech lines during the testing. Quoting from this article:

“Grip is a compromise of friction and wear. In the process of designing the new Radial line, we tested more than 70 different types of ropes."


What about the claim of "no overrides" when easing lines? Can anyone confirm that this is the case in real-world scenarios? I always found this to be a hassle with my previous winches.
01-18-2012 05:27 PM
jackdale
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I haven't received the winches yet, but i'm already wondering if i shouldn't have saved up a bit and "invested" on the Andersens...
Andersen winches are fine. But who dreamed up the idea that the lock toggle on the handle would only work in one direction?
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