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08-10-2012 05:51 PM
Brent Swain
Re: Float Homes in British Columbia Bays

As they have no legal title to the seabed, I simply tie up to any buoy I find convenient. If it breaks, I did the owner a favour ,as that way it wont be breaking when his boat is there, on a stormy night, and he is ashore.
If the owner gives me no hassel, I feel certain obligation to scrape some of the growth off it, an indication of when it was last used. I like to leave it in better shape than I found it in. If I plan on using it often, I put a couple of peel and stick reflectors on it, to make it easier to find at night.
If there is no pickup line on it , lassoing it is the easiest way to get connected. Sometimes I add a pickup line, with a net float on the end.
If the owner gives me or my boat a big hassle, I could always take the buoy with me when I go.
08-10-2012 05:36 PM
smurphny
Re: Float Homes in British Columbia Bays

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Originally Posted by johnvye View Post
Thanks Magnus, I am new to forums about sailing and your quite right. The Blue Water Cruising Association would be an excellent choice. Thanks for that.
I was on the east coast (Rhode Island) last summer and was astonished at how every harbour seems to be chock-a-block full of mooring buoys. It just seems to be the way the world is going. Once the harbours are full of buoys and floathomes, I guess us boaties will be anchoring outside in the swells...
Yes, almost all of the places I used to be able to anchor have been absolutely packed with moorings from LI to Maine. Most of them are not used and just hog up all the space. It forces people like me who do not wish to pay a fee to someone into often much less safe and stable spots. Count me on board for any concerted complaint to intrusive government. Interesting that you mention RI. The last time I tried to anchor in one of my favorite spots in Potter's Cove, there was virtually NO space due to some municipality's moorings and NOT A BOAT ON EVEN ONE OF THEM!

Perhaps before issuing "special mooring" status, the CG should require that ACTUAL mooring use be the determiner of how many moorings can be placed by the greedy little local B%zt^*#s who decide to plop this many moorings in.
08-10-2012 05:21 PM
Brent Swain
Re: Float Homes in British Columbia Bays

I just heard that Nanaimo just sold its downtown publicly owned harbour to the Washington Marine Group,who plan on excluding all but the super wealthy. A freind told me they quoted him over $60 a night to moor his 37 footer there.
When a friend rowed his dingy into Port of Sydney marina, and asked if he could leave it there fcr a couple of hours, he was told " Sure, for $5 an hour." I suspect that marina may also be run by Washington Marine Group. Expect the same from Nanaimo.
Another Nanaimo refugee told me they have a feudal attitude towards cruisers, considering anyone who cruises to be simply "vermin", as has one former Nanaimo business owner.
I cant see why most cruisers would even bother going into Nanaimo any more.
08-07-2012 11:35 PM
delite
Re: Float Homes in British Columbia Bays

In BC the water lease is federal and the province deals with the water hookup and shore ties. Its a cluster Freak of regulation. If they dont have a water lease then you can tie up and make use of the facilities. The owner wouldnt have the right to stop you.
Squirrel cove is different. The local Indian band wants to acquire a water lease that covers the bay and to charge for mooring in the bay. It shouldnt be allowed.
08-07-2012 10:37 PM
imf
Re: Float Homes in British Columbia Bays

The good thing is that the float home community tends to be a pretty tight knit group, so if there's one person who's thinking something, chances are there are many others who are thinking the same thing. It just takes some communication between these groups to be able to enact any sort of action, whether it be for removing more dilapidated homes or amending any regulations currently in place.

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Originally Posted by ScuzzMonkey View Post
I was up in Squirrel Cove last spring and didn't notice any... I didn't make the circuit but perhaps they have been removed now? The only place along the Inside Passage I ever felt negatively affected by a floating home was in Port Harvey, I believe... otherwise, what I saw was either unobtrusive or were clearly working dorms which were presumably temporary.

I have mixed feelings on the subject. On the one hand, no one likes run-down derelicts or permanent floating boxes taking over favorite anchorages. On the other hand, there are people who object to us anchoring where we please, even temporarily. From what I read here the problem is more prevalent on the East Coast, and I am thankful for that. It strikes me that trying to involve the authorities and enforce our preferred use of the water in this matter may be a bit short-sighted... John, you started the other thread, about the RCMP boardings of boats at anchor, didn't you? While the distinction you are making here may seem clear enough to us, to enforcement agencies it seems like it would simply lead to open season on anything afloat... a mess of new regulations, definitions, and misunderstandings sure to follow.

It's in the nature of beautiful and serene places to attract more population and civilization than they can hold without becoming less serene and beautiful. I've never seen a legislative effort to preserve them that resulted in everyone being happy with the outcome. I don't know that there is a solution for it, except to go further afield.

On the other hand, there may be less regulatory ways to discourage this, or to adapt to it... have you tried simply tying up to them instead of trying to find a spot to anchor? Get nice and cozy and explain why... you'll either make new friends or discourage permanent occupancy.
05-28-2012 06:25 PM
imf
Re: Float Homes in British Columbia Bays

Great information seamountie, and I think plenty of people will get use out of this. Not only do you need permissions for land ties, but it's true about the dock even if you own waterfront property. You still need permissions to build/integrate a dock. A lot of people don't know or ignore this advice, and could potentially deter home buyers.


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Originally Posted by seamountie View Post
To legally set up a float home in any of the coastal waters of BC, you have to get a lease from the Ministry of Lands. That lease allows you to shore tie and set up seafloor anchors. Seperate permits are required (theoretically) if you want to take your fresh water from a river/stream/spring on shore, and another permit if you want to use said river/stream/spring to make electricity.

A residential lease costs $500 per year (last I checked) and to get one can be a giant pain as all offical stakeholders (the government term) are asked for input. This would certainly include the Parks section of the ministtry, and may also include the local First Nations band if the area is some that has been claimed as traditional, and is in dispute.

The BC Government is quite good at enforcing the lease and will force squatters off - even sending in tow boats to remove said building float at the owners expense, seizing said floathome and can auction it off.

If you have a concern about a specific float home, get the exact location and then inquire/complain to the Ministry of Lands. They are the people who can actually do something about illegal residences in our bays.

Note, though, that there are also quite a number of commercial water leases around, and many of those leases allow buildings/houses to be on them. They are also through BC Lands.

And in BC, just because you have water front property does not mean you can have even a dock....ya gotta get a water lease.

Richard
living aboard S/V Gandalf III in those BC Bays
03-19-2012 04:09 PM
Brent Swain
Re: Float Homes in British Columbia Bays

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Originally Posted by seayalatermoonglow View Post
Without those, this would be a very congested world indeed, and we would likely have no hidey holes what-so-ever. I'm pleased they exist and to be fair "To each their own" different lifestyle for different people.
Well said , like a truly contented happy camper. To each his own.
Attack our choice of life style, and we are entitled to respond in kind, to defend it.
03-19-2012 04:04 PM
Brent Swain
Re: Float Homes in British Columbia Bays

I agree. Those mega float homes and fish farms are not the ones who are minimizing their environmental foot print, by minimizing the relevance of money in their lives. They are the real problem. Their impunity comes from their money. So much for the equality provisions in the charter of rights.And they ask
"Why do they hate us so much?
03-19-2012 04:00 PM
Bilgewater
Re: Float Homes in British Columbia Bays

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Originally Posted by Brent Swain View Post
The high rises and condo's they live in? Now there's an eyesore!
Without those, this would be a very congested world indeed, and we would likely have no hidey holes what-so-ever. I'm pleased they exist and to be fair "To each their own" different lifestyle for different people.
03-19-2012 03:58 PM
Capt Len
Re: Float Homes in British Columbia Bays

I must admit to being less than impressed at the attitude of float home owners ,particularly in Broughton. They're the ones with a 30x50' striped flag and a helicopter pad but what really twists my deck mop is the proliferation of salmon farms where I used to anchor .
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