SailNet Community - Reply to Topic

Thread: What is your opinion of Bavaria's? Reply to Thread
Title:
Message:
Trackback:
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



  Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


  Topic Review (Newest First)
04-11-2016 03:17 PM
grossifs
Re: What is your opinion of Bavaria's?

Recently I ve been to the Bavaria factory in Germany. I ve been really astonished on how they produce. Starting from the.material....FG Is of the ansolutely best quality. All under vacuum... robot that precisely drill and the all the best regarding quality control. Everithing is done INSIDE the farm even tje upholstery and all the furniture. So I really don t understand Periwinkle. It seems to me that is ralking withkut an exact knowledge on how Bavaria works... if you are regerring on all the rest f.i. winches and so forth that depends ONLY in how much the owner wants to spend for it. You can choose starting from the lower to the higher models. So gain I can t really understand... to talk nad you have first to see how they work...bye...

Inviato dal mio SM-G7102 utilizzando Tapatalk
02-29-2016 02:58 AM
S/VPeriwinkle
Re: What is your opinion of Bavaria's?

If a brand of boat is consistently lower in price, that means something. You are right to ask why. One approach might be to go aboard a more "expensive" boat (I recommend Pacific Seacraft) and then compare. You will be very surprised at the difference when you get back aboard a "plastic fantastic" brand.

Periwinkle
--
Boat for sale ad removed per forum rules- Jeff_H SailNet moderator
02-21-2016 09:18 PM
Stu
Re: What is your opinion of Bavaria's?

After sailing a Vision 46 and scouring over every inch, we decided this was our next boat. Been searching for years for our new boat and traded in a Jeanneau SO. Our goals were (in order): modern sleek design, quality of build, solid feel under sail, single hand sailing, large and open cockpit and saloon. Bavaria boasts their precision production processes and from my critical inspection I agree. Crazy to think they produce over 2000 boats per year and I'm hoping that they paid close attention to the detail on mine. Getting very excited about seeing it in April! I will repost my experience with delivery and commissioning.
01-13-2016 12:34 PM
SloopJonB
Re: What is your opinion of Bavaria's?

As usual, Ron is right - ease of handling and cost (for most of us) should be primary considerations. A boat around 40' is a better choice for a couple going cruising. You don't want to have to be dependent on labour saving gear and the loads on a 50' mean that sort of stuff is essential for a couple.

My biggest was 43' and humping a genoa or main on deck, even on land was pushing me - and I'm over 6' and (way too far) over 200 Lbs.

I can't imagine doing it at sea in bad weather.
01-13-2016 11:37 AM
Faster
Re: What is your opinion of Bavaria's?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Otia View Post
........
My 1st mate and I are considering a world tour in a few years and question if we invest on this hull or get a bigger boat. A 50+ foot would be nice, but the big advantage of our B38 is that it is cheap to run.
Seems to me you've addressed the major 'shortcomings' of the factory version, if these jobs have been well done then you've already got a boat you know well, can handle easily and that should be (now) up to the task.

Not sure I'd want to 'start over' with a bigger boat - esp since it may well need much of that work/upgrades all over again.
01-13-2016 07:43 AM
grossifs
Re: What is your opinion of Bavaria's?

I ve got since 1 year a fantastic bavaria 40 avantgarde 2012 farr design. Up to now a wonderful boat. Beside on my same marina I ve got other 10 bavaria that have cruised and raced for years crossing even atlantic.. no reports of abnormalities whatsiver up 2 now....

Inviato dal mio SM-G7102 utilizzando Tapatalk
01-10-2016 06:19 PM
Otia
Re: What is your opinion of Bavaria's?

Back to Bavaria...
I've own a B38 since 2010. It's the 2004 production, commissioned in 2005. The 2004 model is actually a true 40ft (12.3 meters). The 2003 & 2006 are 38ft. I own the 2-cabin owner version, with deep keel, tall rig and larger engine option (Volvo 55 hp).
This boat has impressed me. Quality of wood work, of rigging (Selden), winches (Harken), etc. everything is well build. You can watch Bavaria's production videos on YouTube to convince you. Hull is reinforced with Kevlar. It's has proven to be very seaworthy even in big seas. It's keel and rig allow this boat to sail fair at up to 30 deg to the wind, though 35-40 deg is much better.
It has weaknesses. For one its heavy - though for blue water cruising this can be an advantage - and thus not very fast. I mostly sail in 20-25 kts winds at a speed of 8-9 kts.
The rudder itself and bearings are weak for serious offshore. I had it rebuilt and reinforced.
The keel issue is not a Bavaria issue but a real concern for all modern "budget" minded sailboats. Again, on my boat I had the keel attachment redone and beefed up.
Every boat has issues, know your boat and tweak it for your type of sailing.
Overall I am very please with this boat.
My 1st mate and I are considering a world tour in a few years and question if we invest on this hull or get a bigger boat. A 50+ foot would be nice, but the big advantage of our B38 is that it is cheap to run.
04-11-2012 11:30 PM
SloopJonB
Re: What is your opinion of Bavaria's?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Not sure I completely understand your description of your U-bolt arrangement, but there's no question a U-bolt can be made strong enough for a particular application...
Picture the top few inches of a conventional strap chainplate - the part the protrudes through the deck and receives the turnbuckle. Underneath the deck that stub is welded to a large flat S/S plate that is bolted to the underside of the deck.

Not the way I would have designed it but, as I noted, it has worked for 42 years including at least one trip from coast to coast via Panama, so I guess Tripp knew what he was doing.
04-11-2012 10:56 PM
JonEisberg
Re: What is your opinion of Bavaria's?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SloopJonB View Post
The lower shrouds on my Col. 43 are essentially U-bolts - they are a stub of stainless strap welded to a large stainless plate which acts as a big backing plate - the stub passes through the deck like a conventional chainplate. All the uppers are conventional long straps bolted to bulkheads etc. It has kept a 66' stick standing for 42 years despite years of serious neglect and the boat has sailed from N.Y. to San Francisco so I guess it's adequate.

I've never, to the best of my knowledge, seen a chainplate perfectly aligned with the shroud attached to it - that's the reason for toggles.
NEVER??? Really? Hmmm, perhaps you need to come back to the East coast, and have a look at some Proper Yachts... (grin)

Toggles are best used for dealing with variable and eccentric fluctuations, such as those due to things like headstay sag, and pumping... They are certainly not intended to correct to sort gross misalignment I was referring to...

Not sure I completely understand your description of your U-bolt arrangement, but there's no question a U-bolt can be made strong enough for a particular application...

My problem with U-bolts that I see on today's boats, is that the clevis pin will be subject to point loading, rather than having its load distributed over its full diameter when held captive within a properly sized chainplate hole.

I doubt there are many riggers out there who would consider a u-bolt attachment superior to a proper chainplate, and that's one reason you'll never see u-bolts in lieu of chainplates on boats built by Swan, Perini Navi, Royal Huisman, and the like...
04-01-2012 02:26 PM
SloopJonB
Re: What is your opinion of Bavaria's?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Again, you're right about that, but I still don't like the practice, and I've seen it elsewhere, in some very surprising applications...

For example, you'll rarely find a boat built to a much higher standard than Cherubini does... Yet, I was stunned to see U-bolts instead of chainplates for the main and mizzen shrouds on the 44 shown at Annapolis a few years ago... And, yes, the lowers were, too, ever so slightly misaligned... (grin)



Chainplates can be a tricky thing to get right on any rig other than one with inline shrouds... On boats with fore and aft lowers, there is almost always some degree of misalignment to the load, for to get it just so usually requires the chainplate bulkhead to be slightly angled, or the chainplate itself either bent, or twisted... Few builders bother to go to such lengths, even the Valiant 42 I took south last fall, the chainplates for the lowers were absolutely vertical and ran athwhartships, and relied on the insertion of a toggle to improve the modest degree of misalignment...

"Good enough" perhaps, but still, not "Done Right"... (grin)
The lower shrouds on my Col. 43 are essentially U-bolts - they are a stub of stainless strap welded to a large stainless plate which acts as a big backing plate - the stub passes through the deck like a conventional chainplate. All the uppers are conventional long straps bolted to bulkheads etc. It has kept a 66' stick standing for 42 years despite years of serious neglect and the boat has sailed from N.Y. to San Francisco so I guess it's adequate.

I've never, to the best of my knowledge, seen a chainplate perfectly aligned with the shroud attached to it - that's the reason for toggles.
This thread has more than 10 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome