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05-27-2012 10:32 PM
CapnRon47
Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

I singlehand Heron, a 35' sloop, much of the time, all the main sail lines are at the mast, so I have always used jack lines and a harness. I am over 65 now and figured why not make things a bit easier for myself, so this year I had the lines lead to the cockpit. As it came originally, vintage 1989, the main halyard, its clutch and winch were on the mast.



The tack reef points are rings in the sail that hook to horns at the boom. The clew reef lines are lead thru the boom to clutches on the bottom of the boom and then turn down to the cabintop.



I was thinking of a jiffy reefing system that would reduce the number of lines back to the cockpit, but it required rerouting the internal boom lines to it's exterior so that they could be lead to the tack reef points. This would have required drilling holes in the boom and adding SS fairleads for the lines to exit the boom and then more hardware to turn the lines up the tack reef rings. So instead I opted to have all the individual reef lines (4 of them, 2 for tack and 2 for clew points) lead back to the cockpit.

For all my changes I left all the original hardware in place, so everthing can be done at the mast as before. When using the lines lead back to the cockpit is just need to leave all those forward clutches open.

On my original cabintop I had 2 winches; one, on port, for the mainsheet and one, on strbd, for my swing keel line. The swing keel line also had a clutch to hold the line in place.



I can free up the strbd winch by locking the keel lifting line, so I placed a clutch on that side for the mainsheet. I also placed 2 clutches there for the first reef point lines. The tack reef line does not need to use the winch as you just pull the sail down until it stops. I might need the winch for the first clew line, so it is placed closer that winch. I offset the new clutches from the original clutch that holds the keel line, so they would not be confused.



Here you see 4 clutches on strbd; the original keel clutch set forward of the 3 newer ones. All open the same way, they are Spinlocks. the outside clutch is for the mainhalyard, the 2 inside are for the first reef point lines. At the mast base I added three blocks; one for the main halyard and a double for the first reef lines. The clew reef lines comes out of the boom, turns down then thru this block to aft to the cockpit.



On the port side of the cabin top, see above, I added a triple clutch; one for the mainsheet (in case I need to lock it off while using the winch to tighten the second reef point clew line) and two for the second reef points, clew and tack.

The reef lines are handled with blocks at the base of the mast on the port side just like the strbd side.



Before I had this work done, I tested raising the mainsail from the cockpit by hand using a block to run the halyard back to the cockpit. I found I could do it easier there than at the mast as I was pulling aft and had a place to brace myself. So with this as a test I concluded this system would work. And it does.

The only other hardware added are fairleads, for all lines, at the edge of the cabintop companionway hatch cover.



My dodger has inside pockets which I use to organize the lines, but I am considering adding some bags there as the traveller lines also come into the cockpit. I am really happy having moved the lines to the cockpit, it just makes is so much more relaxing to know I don't need to leave the cockpit for most changes. I still run the jack lines and have the harness handy. I find that I can raise the mainsail and reef much faster now, putting little strain on the awheel utopilot (which is still very nice to have).

Capn Ron
05-26-2012 03:30 AM
knuterikt
Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

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Originally Posted by SchockT View Post
Knuterikt;

Is that DUCT TAPE on your vang?

You might want to rethink that...have you ever seen what happens to that stuff after the sun has attacked it?
Yes - I inherited this from the PO, have not come around to cleaning that stuff off yet
05-25-2012 09:07 PM
SchockT
Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

Knuterikt;

Is that DUCT TAPE on your vang?

You might want to rethink that...have you ever seen what happens to that stuff after the sun has attacked it?
05-25-2012 07:53 PM
SchockT
Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

Here is the layout of Schock Therapy





Note that the starboard side line that appears to go to a cheek for a 90 degree deflection is in fact a halyard that is not in use, and goes to a fairlead for securing purposes only. You never want to deflect on such an angle if you can avoid it. I have been playing with layouts a bit since I added rigging for my asymetric spinnaker. I haven't given up on the symetric rigging just yet, but the wife hates it, so it will probably go. In the meantime the topping lift and downhaul are great for hanging the solar shower, the hammock chair etc!
05-25-2012 06:41 PM
Capt.aaron
Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

Wow.
05-25-2012 05:23 PM
NewportNewbie I have plenty of winches. Lol. I think 10 total. So 6 more in the cockpit. No need for those further back.
05-25-2012 04:50 PM
knuterikt
Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

More pics from my setup, this is partly made by me and partly by the PO.

Pics taken last autumn to document lead of all the lines - before taking the mast down for some upgrades.
Inherited this setup from the PO - replaced the mast base blocks this spring (no pics

Some of the blocks at the mast base are from the boat was new - others have been added later. The green rope to the left in the pic is the main sheet



Organizers stacked in two hights with eyes on the top (originaly only one hight - added by PO)
The rope in the middle/top is tack line for the asymetric.
The other two is just for testing the lead of the furling lines for the asymetric / code 0 (chose another lead for this)


Lead under the traveler track and traveller setup. Traveller new last year.
Note the lead to get the adjustment on the cabin top (Old setup had a cleat at track end)


Cabintop with winch and raised winch feeder.
This is my "design" replaced two winches (one was useless with dodger up) and an asortment of old clutches and jammers.

When doing changes like this it's important to test placement and lead thoroughly. I tested lots of different configurations before deciding on this.

Tip: Take pictures to document your different layouts - easier to go back and compare before you decide

The block under the winch feeder is there to get a good angle on the line going to the winch. extends on the outboard side to prevent line from falling down.
Decided not to use this solution for the furling line (bad lead)
05-25-2012 03:49 PM
itsaboat
Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

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Originally Posted by NewportNewbie View Post
Awesome...wow...learning LOTS here....thanks guys.
Enjoying this thread as well. I am looking at the possibility of doing some of the same. I would like to see more pics of these set-ups.

My boat has mast winches for the halyards and the sheets on the coamings, but none on the cabin top. Newport, do you have winches further aft on the cabin as well as those oddly-placed winches in the picture? If not, you could reposition perhaps?

For me, main and jib halyards and vang would be the only lines I would like to have in the cockpit. This would give the ability to quickly and safely drop sail.
05-25-2012 03:08 PM
NewportNewbie
Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

Awesome...wow...learning LOTS here....thanks guys.
05-25-2012 04:13 AM
SchockT
Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

I agree with Stumble, you should get rid of those dedicated halyard winches, and lead the halyards aft! If the winches are in good shape you may even be able to sell them to help pay for some decent clutches and a deck organizer.
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