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08-22-2012 05:26 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Florida or not?

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Originally Posted by skelmir View Post
Yes it's probably not the most practical use of both time nor money. But it's more exciting than sitting up on the hard plus this way I get to sail to Florida.

Next year when I'm older and wiser I'll most likely agree with you.
It's not clear to me how much time you actually foresee spending down south over the course of the winter, but...

If you're not limited to commuting back and forth, and can spend more of your winter on the boat, I'd suggest heading for the Bahamas, rather than just hanging out in Florida...

There's no comparison, IMHO, and once you've paid your $300 to get in, no one over there is gonna give a damn about dinghy registration, or any of that sort of crap...

In any event, if you are gonna sail that far south, seems really a pity to just stay in Florida, and not make it over to the Bahamas...

08-22-2012 04:21 PM
Seaduction
Re: Florida or not?

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skelmir, the thought occurs to me that Florida is perhaps the only state in the union that does not have a State Defense Force or State Militia. Something about the concept being totally alien under Spanish law and that's where Florida came from.

So, if y'all want to bring down a couple of regiments of the Massachussetts Militia, there's nothing to stop you from steamrolling through the whole damned swamp, putting down some good yankee concrete, annexing the whole shebang and then your MA registrations will be all you need.

You know, with November coming up, we could all use a good distraction.
Those African Rock Pythons in the everglades eat steamrollers for breakfast. Ponce de Leon may have brought some initial concepts to Florida, but now the population has retirees from most of the northern US and Canada as well. I retired here (from W. PA) and forgot to register my boat right away. I finally remembered to do it about 6 months later. Florida also has a great many retired Military residents and has several bases as well.
08-22-2012 04:07 PM
skelmir
Re: Florida or not?

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skelmir, the thought occurs to me that Florida is perhaps the only state in the union that does not have a State Defense Force or State Militia. Something about the concept being totally alien under Spanish law and that's where Florida came from.

So, if y'all want to bring down a couple of regiments of the Massachussetts Militia, there's nothing to stop you from steamrolling through the whole damned swamp, putting down some good yankee concrete, annexing the whole shebang and then your MA registrations will be all you need.

You know, with November coming up, we could all use a good distraction.
Bringing down a regiment of anything is going to take more than one round trip. But invasion by sailboat certainly appeals to my viking heritage.
08-22-2012 03:56 PM
hellosailor
Re: Florida or not?

skelmir, the thought occurs to me that Florida is perhaps the only state in the union that does not have a State Defense Force or State Militia. Something about the concept being totally alien under Spanish law and that's where Florida came from.

So, if y'all want to bring down a couple of regiments of the Massachussetts Militia, there's nothing to stop you from steamrolling through the whole damned swamp, putting down some good yankee concrete, annexing the whole shebang and then your MA registrations will be all you need.

You know, with November coming up, we could all use a good distraction.
08-22-2012 03:41 PM
Seaduction
Re: Florida or not?

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I'm a new owner of a 44 foot sailboat in Boston, MA and I see that winter will be coming too soon.

I'm wondering about the practicality of extending our use of the boat by bringing it (or having it brought) down to Florida and what the implications of that might be.

I'm not to the point of taking out the charts and studying the currents. I'm more wondering how would I manage the boat down in Florida being a resident of MA. What are the tax implications and what permits/licenses do I need to acquire? I would plan on bringing the boat back up before hurricane season next year (at least that would be the plan, maybe Florida is just so awesome that I will want to leave it down there but that would remain to be seen).

The 6.25% Massachusetts taxes has been paid, so I'm assuming that I don't have to pay additionally in Florida since their rate is only 6%. But I also assume that I'm wrong about that.

I read somewhere that if your local rate was less than the Florida rate you would have to pay the difference to Florida but I assume they aren't fair minded about that and won't give me a 0.25% refund.

I do see that I'd need to update my insurance policy.

I assume I will have to register my dinghy in Florida as well or else leave the outboard at home. If I did that would I really need two sets of registration numbers on my dinghy? It already has MA plates.

I guess the second step is to figure out where in Florida to base it. The boat draws 5'10". The Keys look nice, but it might be more practical to base it farther north. Recommendations where and why would be welcome. I think I'm partial to the East Coast of Florida, but other than the additional trip of getting to the other side I don't have a good reason for that preference.

Once that is all figured and if it makes sense. The third step would be to plan the trip. If I went ahead with everything I would most likely hire an experienced captain who has done this before and he would provide the plan.

If I was allowed to retire and just take off sailing I would probably just keep going once I got to Florida. So a hired captain would be good in either case.
If you need encouragement, I say go for it! If you have the time, just meander down the ICW. You should have the books recommended in the posts above. When you need to return home occasionally, park your boat in a marina, fly, drive or Amtrak it back for a while. After you spend your 3 months (say Nov, Dec, Jan) in Florida waters, slowly make your way back North, stopping in each state along the way and enjoy the seasonal spring awakening in each state. By the time you get back home (say May) you will have had a great adventure, spent possibly $10,000 m/l and barely notice the cold Massachusetts winter has passed.
08-22-2012 02:50 PM
skelmir
Re: Florida or not?

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All things considered, seems like a rather large investment in time, money and effort, for a basically trivial return.
Yes it's probably not the most practical use of both time nor money. But it's more exciting than sitting up on the hard plus this way I get to sail to Florida.

Next year when I'm older and wiser I'll most likely agree with you.
08-22-2012 01:18 PM
Seaduction
Re: Florida or not?

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Originally Posted by denverd0n View Post
Of course not, which is why people ask questions that have already been answered earlier in the thread, and why people post answers that have already been posted earlier in the thread.

Don't you understand how this internet thing works?
Oh, I see. I'm catching on though. I will try to give more spurious answers henceforth to broaden the scope and spectrum of discussion and engage some lively rebuttals.
08-22-2012 09:10 AM
denverd0n
Re: Florida or not?

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Originally Posted by Seaduction View Post
Thanks for repeating my posted link from 3 days ago. Sometimes I wonder if people click on the links and read the information.
Of course not, which is why people ask questions that have already been answered earlier in the thread, and why people post answers that have already been posted earlier in the thread.

Don't you understand how this internet thing works?
08-21-2012 06:18 PM
smurphny
Re: Florida or not?

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Originally Posted by dreuge View Post
If your vessel is 30 years or older, then you can register in Florida as an Antique Vessel. I just recently found this out, and now instead of paying $87.50 per year, I am charged $4.95. It is funny that I pay more now to register my 8' walkerbay dinghy ith 2hp outboard.

As for numbers, I have read that there is a way to keep your out of state numbers, but still register your vessel in Florida. This is ment to be temporary for those staying a short term.

It may be better to document the vessel. That way you don't need to have the registration numbers on the vessel. Documentation is a one time cost, the regular renewals are free. I am surprise a vessel your size is not documented.

That said, I kept my sailboat (5.4' draft) in the St Pete/Pass-a-grill area of Tampa bay. While the area is nice, I now keep my sailboat in Carrabelle, Fl which is across the big bend at the start of the Gulf Itracoastal waterway. I personally think the sailing here is by far better than the Tampa area. But the area is more rustic, so if you want an area which is overly developed, then this part of the FL panhandle would not be for you.
I think I checked the Florida antique classification last year before I registered my old boat in NY. Would have registered down there. I believe the boat must have the original engine to qualify. What a bummer. Most old boats have long since upgraded power plants.
08-21-2012 10:28 AM
dreuge
Re: Florida or not?

Hi,

Here is the actual wording from the Official Florida website:


I will be vacationing in Florida this summer. Do I need to register my vessel there?

Florida recognizes valid registration certificates and numbers issued to visiting boaters for a period of 90 days. An owner who intends to use his vessel in Florida longer than 90 days must register it with a county tax collector. However, he may retain the out-of-state registration number if he plans to return to his home state within a reasonable period of time.




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