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2 Weeks Ago 11:24 PM
jephotog
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

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Originally Posted by johnfsullivan1 View Post
Can you point me in a direction for a live aboard... I am a single Dad and my kids are going to school in MDR and I live in Pasadena! Ouch! Looking for a place to crash (wish them) on Wednesday and Thursday each week and this seems like a good idea. Got any leads?

John
(310) 694-7401
Hi John,
What I know about MDR I have learned from reading this thread, but what you described is not a liveaboard situation. It is a visit your boat for two day situation. Most marinas allow you to spend X number of nights aboard per week. The idea being they want to know you don't live aboard. If you were to spend 2-3 or even 4 nights a week onboard you should not have a problem.

When browsing used boats I always see smaller boats for sale cheap in MDR. You might be able to find a boat 25-30 feet for cheap that might work for what you describe.
2 Weeks Ago 10:45 PM
Philzy
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

Before I answer, I want you to know I just (September + October 2016) put in weeks worth of work visiting each and every marina and getting to know dock masters as best as possible to investigate the situation (I am trying to move my liveaboard into MDR).

I'll come right out with the bad news - it's not going to happen unless you find an illegal LAB situation on craiglist, or you can buy a 35'+ newer boat from a liveaboard with prior approval already in MDR.

There's two major hoops to jump through:

1) Every marina requires at least 35 foot or larger to liveaboard on, a handful of the marinas require 40 foot or larger. They won't settle for a pre-90's boats: it needs to look clean, new, and well cared for. There will usually be wait lists for slips that size, so the way in is to buy a boat that is already in the desired marina. They are looking for boats that improve the marine via presence of your guests and visual aesthetic of the boat. MDR isn't just about boating anymore, it's transitioning to a "see and be seen" high-profile location. Basins are filled with high rise apartments and the celebrity yacht charters are more common. The marinas are upgrading to many more 60-100' slips to accommodate the wealth in LA.

2) All of MDR is under major construction where about 10-20% of the harbor is going to be under construction for the next several years. While they renovate the marinas, most are being bought by apartment complexes (ie commercial/residential real estate investors) and the thought of liveaboards to them is a nightmare. That's probably because they don't realize the value of good liveaboards, but it doesn't matter.
So while the construction zones clear out a few marinas at a time, all of THOSE boats are moved around and pushing the other existing marinas to over-capacity.


It's so bad, I got put on one waiting list as the 460th person at one of the (dumpier) marinas. I went to every single marina in person because if you call on the phone they'll simply say no - they get a phone call every 20 minutes all day long asking for liveaboard slips/boats. The game is to show up dressed well with a smile on your face and good photos of your boat. I've been sailing in MDR for more than 10 years and tried to speak to that, and living for more than 4 years already on my sailboat, and not being an outsider, etc. Some dock masters laughed in my face because of the circumstances in MDR, others were very friendly and offered resourceful information to help.

The thing I heard most was to try Wilmington, Ventura or Oxnard if you want to live on a sailboat.

I do know scenarios exist where someone owns 27'-30' boat and want a "boat partner" to split the monthly costs, and if you're nice enough you could probably work out a way to sleep there on Thursdays or Fridays and let them use it on Saturday and Sundays but that might get uncomfortable with kids, too. Also, the dockmasters have eyes and ears and would likely kick out the boat owner.

I will say MDR is significantly nicer than the past few decades and the proximity to everything in LA is unbeatable for the cost of a slip fee, that's probably the source of demand for liveaboard slips.
10-18-2016 08:24 PM
tomperanteau
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

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Originally Posted by mikel1 View Post
Look up Newmarks marina, I think it is in Wilmington . . . They were fairly reasonable and "liberal" about live a boards last I knew . . .
We are in Newmark's. They can be liberal, to a degree. Annie, the marina manager, can be a force to be reckoned with if you cross her, but she is "good people". I think they may have a few open slots for liveaboards, so you might want to give her a call.

As far as safety goes, we've been there six years, and they have really cleaned out the riffraff. We have never felt anything but safe there. There are homeless that wander about, but they know better than to bother anyone. There is a lot of old-school knowledge from good people there. Rates are reasonable and we have a lot of latitude to work on our boat, as needed. We're getting ready for the South Pacific, so this is a great help to us.
10-07-2016 11:27 PM
mikel1
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

Look up Newmarks marina, I think it is in Wilmington . . . They were fairly reasonable and "liberal" about live a boards last I knew . . .
10-07-2016 09:52 PM
johnfsullivan1
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

Can you point me in a direction for a live aboard... I am a single Dad and my kids are going to school in MDR and I live in Pasadena! Ouch! Looking for a place to crash (wish them) on Wednesday and Thursday each week and this seems like a good idea. Got any leads?

John
(310) 694-7401
01-13-2016 12:20 PM
jjstick
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

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Originally Posted by sea_hunter View Post
Liveaboard in MDR isn't cheap and most marinas there don't allow liveaboards. The average fees run about a G note plus a 50% liveaboard surcharge plus utilities per month.
Is this still the case in 2016? The current rates I'm looking at in MDR don't seem to be $1000 + utilities.
01-12-2016 02:04 PM
Scotty C-M
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

Here's a suggestion: Go to the various harbor masters and ask what their procedures are. If possible, get on the waiting lists ASAP. It might take some effort and patience, but if it's worth it to you, ,,, it's worth it to you!! Good Luck.
01-12-2016 11:48 AM
capta
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

I would suggest you wait until you can move to some place that is more welcoming to liveaboards than California.
Places like Charleston, SC and many places in the Chesapeake, RI and Fla are a lot more open and friendly to liveaboards. Most of the marinas I've lived at have actually valued my presence, not charged me excessively to be one of their 24 hour 'free' security guys.
I haven't lived aboard in Cal since 1970, but even then, they were doing all they could legally and a bit beyond legally, to discourage liveaboards.
01-11-2016 06:07 PM
ericb760
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

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Originally Posted by jjstick View Post
Hello,

I was wondering if you could give me a quick rundown of a liveaboard situation. I've been doing my research but I am still very confused about all the rules and fees.

It has always been my dream to live on a boat by myself so here is the ideal situation:


If I own my own boat, how realistic is it to live on it in Marina Del Rey or neighboring marina in Los Angeles? I understand I need a permit and pay a monthly docking fee with utilities but what else is so tricky about it?

Thank you so much for your time, I really appreciate the advice.

Also, I am a young professional female - do you think it would be safe or me to live alone on a boat?

If you are dead set on living aboard anywhere in SoCal, your only real options are the marinas up the shipping channel in Wilmington. Even so, you'd still have to buy your own boat. But, there are plenty of repos available for sale throughout the Long Beach/Wilmington areas.

However, you will not be able to walk in and state that you're going to live aboard for reasons stated earlier in this thread.

My advice would be to buy a boat in Wilmington and spend 3 or 4 nights a week on it, which is legal to do as the boat owner, while you get accustomed to boat living. It may sound romantic, but it's not for everyone. It's a relatively small living area, things get wet, it can get cold in the winter, and hot in the summer, there can be a lot of noise on the dock on weekends, etc.

As to safety, the truth is that Wilmington marinas aren't going to be as "safe" as a downtown Long Beach slip would be. But, safety is relative. My boat is at Leeward Bay marina and I used to routinely spend 3 or 4 nights a week on the boat when I was working nearby, and I never encountered any problems as far as my personal safety was concerned. And I never had anything stolen off my boat, but I didn't leave anything out that would tempt a thief. Being female would probably necessitate further cautions.

Hope this helps...Here's the view from my stern:
01-11-2016 02:00 AM
jjstick
Re: liveaboard Marina del Rey, CA

Hello,

I was wondering if you could give me a quick rundown of a liveaboard situation. I've been doing my research but I am still very confused about all the rules and fees.

It has always been my dream to live on a boat by myself so here is the ideal situation:

If I own my own boat, how realistic is it to live on it in Marina Del Rey or neighboring marina in Los Angeles? I understand I need a permit and pay a monthly docking fee with utilities but what else is so tricky about it?


Thank you so much for your time, I really appreciate the advice.

Also, I am a young professional female - do you think it would be safe or me to live alone on a boat?
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