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02-12-2015 04:07 PM
Re: sundance weekender 20


Here is an image of the through hull fittings/cockpit drains on my Sundance 20 Starsong ~

This image is a view from the back end of the starboard berth, looking to port, between the forward and aft cockpits. The back end of the port berth is visible as well as the forward end of the aft cockpit and the aft end of the forward cockpit above the centerboard case.

You can see the two 'original' drains from each cockpit. One from the aft end of the forward cockpit which drains into the centerboard case and one from the forward end of the aft cockpit which drains directly through the hull below it. At some point in the life of my boat, a previous owner installed a 'T' fitting at the forward cockpit drain (which drains into the centerboard case) and led another hose to an additional (3rd) through hull fitting.

I am not comfortable with the through hulls on my boat and will be swapping them out for 'proper' fittings with shut-offs and connectors.

02-11-2015 06:25 PM
Re: sundance weekender 20

Thanks for the info on your boat. I will take some pictures of what I have this weekend and look at the mainsail as well. Hopefully taking her out this weekend, if its not too cold.
02-10-2015 09:15 PM
Re: sundance weekender 20

Hi Jason! Congratulations on the purchase of your SD20 hull number 6!

My boat, hull number 21, does have cockpit drains, a single drain at each aft end of each cockpit. The forward cockpit drain empties via a hose into the aft end of the centerboard trunk (a previous owner inserted a 'T' fitting there, under the cockpit floor, and affixed an additional drain off the back to a through hull about 3 inches aft of the centerboard trunk). The aft cockpit drain empties via a hose/through hull directly below the aft cockpit drain. So, I have 3 through hulls openings!

Is your sail number 6 and what color is the logo? Have you checked out the El Mar Boat Company FB page? I believe I recently added the ad for your boat, hull number 6, to our page.

Maybe we can get Len Ferry to comment about your cockpit drains.

02-10-2015 07:02 PM
Re: sundance weekender 20

Hey guys. New to this forum. I just purchased a Sundance 20 hull # 6 and i have a question in regards to cockpit draining. As of now I have zero cockpit drains and rain water fills up the cockpit when not covered. I did discover some drains that have been filled and covered with fiberglass (these were underneath the cockpit area). I also noticed a some type of pipe (that is closed off) forward on the swing keel housing.

I was going to re-open these drains, then I someone really went through allot of work to cover these things up, and maybe for a good reason.

It appears that the cockpit flooring is at or almost at water level. How am I install drains/scuppers to keep water out of the cockpit, not only on the trailer, but under sail as well? What was the "factory" configuration for this? There are zero through holes on the hull that I am aware of.

Thank you all... Any help would be great.

04-26-2014 11:57 PM
Re: sundance weekender 20

Received this scan from an original Sundance 20 sales brochure by the former owner of the company!
Great to have this documentation!

04-23-2014 10:39 AM
Re: sundance weekender 20

Hello Fellow Sundance Sailboat Owners,

I own s/v Starsong, an El Mar Boat Company Sundance 20, hull number 21 (manufactured in 1973). Since purchasing my boat, I have had direct contact with only a few owners and like everyone, I could not find much Internet information about the company or our boats. I have posted a YouTube video and created an El Mar Boat Company Sailboats Facebook Group in hopes of locating other Sundance Sailboat enthusiasts to exchange valuable information about our boats.

So, check out my YouTube video;

And the Facebook Group for Sundance Sailboats;

01-22-2014 10:54 AM
Re: sundance weekender 20... Calling Len ferry

Thanks wade for the heads up re lens post and identifying himself as the designer of the 23. Len, if you can see this, I'd like you to contact me at roger dott Conrad at mts dott net

I am attempting to get more information on the Sundance 20 weekender in terms of build history ie when did production start, when did it end, did the two cockpit styles coexist at some point during production or did one follow the other., and some info on Ed brown and the design of the original 20... Ie where did the design originate and when? These are all questions that give some history for our obscure little sailboats.
01-22-2014 12:24 AM
Re: sundance weekender 20

Well its been about four years since my first post responding to this thread regarding Sundance sailboats. At the time it seemed that there were few remaining Sundances around and even less information about them. What a welcome surprise to see the post from Len Ferry! .... feels like a floodgate has been finally opened! I expect all the other owners who have stumbled onto this thread have a fond connection to these sailboats, and I guess in some sense a connection to the builders. So a big thank-you to Len and Ed Brown for designing and manufacturing our great little sailboat (Sundance 20) and all the other Sundances in their various sizes and configurations! Our family has many great memories of sailing our Sundance with our young kids in the 90s. It was a fun, versatile and safe boat. I will not part with our little sailboat and it is patiently waiting for (hopefully) another round of memories with our kids families.
There has been significant efforts by several ( esp RogerConrad) to gather information on these boats so hopefully with Len's assistance a factual profile on these great sailboats can be put together. Welcome news indeed!
12-26-2013 02:35 PM
Captain Bill
Re: sundance weekender 20

Alright. How the heck did a Sundance 23' sailboat get to Poland from Roseville Michigan. There has to be one hell of a story here!
12-19-2013 04:10 PM
Captain Bill
Re: sundance weekender 20

This is a shout out to Len Ferry and Ed Brown. I bought the second 23' made from the Detroit boat show. It had several unique features. The mold had not yet been completed for the inner hull structure so mine was done in all wood. It had a Baldwin Sea drive that I made several modifications to to get it to run correctly. The boat as I understand was originaly intended to be Len's personal boat and as such was made with a thicker hull than all of the others. Having drilled holes through the hull for hull fittings I can attest to that fact. It had a 1,200 fixed lead keel that saved my ass on more occasion including two storm knock downs, one on lake Huron and one on lake St. Clair. In both cases the sails hit the water and she just popped backed up and high tailed it like a scalded rabbit. The color was a bright orange with a white bottom. I never saw another one of that color. The only complaint I ever had of the boat was that when heeled it had a lot of weather helm. Ed said the mast needed to be moved forward more and that this change would be picked up on the next generation of boats. About the only similar boat I could not beat in a straight out race of similar size and shape was a Ranger 24 which is an outright purpose built race boat. I single handed mine from one end of the Great Lakes to the other and always felt safe and secure in that boat. Stupid me, I sold it to buy a house and I have been looking to buy it back ever since. So if any of you knows where an "Orange" 23' Sundance is for sale, please let me know.
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