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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#2,817 ·
Philippe Briand

Just look at this animal:



Bristolian, a Philippe Briand design and in my opinion the most beautiful til now.

Briand has other great designs and beautiful boats like the Mari-Cha IV and his responsible for the design of some of the best and more attractive production boats around: First 45 and 50; Jeanneau 409 and 439, 53 and 57, 45 and 50DS, OVNI 495 and ALubat 58 (among others).

There are on the water about 10 000 boats designed by him and I bet some of you never heard about the guy:D.

He is one of the best contemporary NA in my opinion. It is French and as most of French NA started as a racer and won several word championships sailing his own designs (the Half Ton Cup and the One Ton Cup during the 1980's)

Take a look:







 
#2,818 · (Edited)
Ker 40

Jason Ker is one of my favorite boat designers. It is probably the designer whose boats are winning more especially if we consider that they are not many. The list of victories this year is impressive:

Ker Yacht Design

And one of the boats that is winning is the Ker 40, probably the fastest 40ft in real time. Take a look:



This boat is a lot faster than a 40class boat but it is a much more difficult boat to sail at 100% especially downwind and a good crew is needed and even so:D



The boat is so stiff, has so much ballast and stability that even after broaching, instead of being knocked down and stop (as most boats), keep sailing at a big angle of heel making it difficult to stop it and regaining full control:D

..
 
#2,819 ·
Seamanship

Talking about the accidents and particularly capsizes, there is not needed a big breaking wave to capsize a boat if the wave get the boat on the right angle and right position. On this video we can see how many boats, including one being towed can make it to safety while just one is capsized and rolled. I don't think it has nothing to do with the type of boat, I mean this one was not more or less seaworthy than the others that had make it to safety, but with good or bad seamanship.

The guy is not only sailing too close to the shore, where there are more breakers, as it is sailing perpendicularly to the waves with too much sail.

Take a look:

 
#2,821 · (Edited)
Seamanship

Some more videos: A guy with an Halberg-Rassy 43 doing the wrong thing and getting away with it:



a small Bavaria 32 well sailed in a gale:



and a guy that lost control of the boat ( no adequate sails) and is in trouble. Notice that is an heavy displacement boat that is supposed to be very seaworthy but the guy doesn't have any storm sail (he even has a bimini on) and the boat is just boobing around out of control at the mercy of the sea:



and these guys sailing safely in bad weather with adequate sails:

 
#2,822 · (Edited)
HR 412; XC 42; Swedestar 415

The Halberg Rassy 412 has been a great media success and I don't doubt that is going to sell well, take a look:



But I have to say that if I had the money and I was looking for that type of boat I would chose without any hesitation the XC 42. In fact the new HR 412 like the 372, comes as a HR response to the more modern line of X yacht cruisers but even if the XC is now several years old it looks more modern than the new HR, especially on the transom and on the two wheel set up against a single wheel on the HR.

In what regards dimensions and type of hulls there is not much difference, the beam is identical (4.10 to 4.11), the XC is almost a 1ft longer (12.81 to 12.61) and due to that but mostly due to almost more 985kg of ballast, the HR is 300kg lighter. Fact is that if we consider the boat without ballast, despite being longer, the XC is almost 700kg lighter.

This gives to the XC a much bigger B/D ratio (0.44 to 0.36) and as both hulls have a similar beam and the XC has more 11cm of draft, the XC is a much more stiff boat with a bigger RM and able to carry more sail.

Curiously on the Standard version, with Jib, the HR has more sail, 86.8 to 90m2, but the extra stiffness will give an advantage to the XC in strong wind. In lighter wind it will allow it to carry bigger Genoas and a bigger Gennaker making it faster. With the Genoa, that is an option, the XC will carry 111.3 m2 and can carry a Geennaker with 158.2m2. The total area of the HR with a code 0 is 130.9m2 and that is less than only the Geenaker on the X yacht.

The XC sailed with the right sails will be faster than the HR and the bigger difference will be in bad weather and strong winds where the much superior B/D ratio will be put to good use.

Both boats cost about the same, the XC has a stainless steel structure to distribute the forces of the keel and shrouds and both have an high quality interior. I like more the modern interior of the XC but that is really a question of personal taste.



But on this segment appeared recently other boat that probably I would have preferred to both the HR 412 and the XC42, even if I like a lot the XC 42. It is the Swedestar 415.

The Swedestar is not only cheaper (if we can talk about cheaper in what regards these boats :D) as it is lighter, faster, less beamier and that will give it a more comfortable ride upwind with waves. The Swedestar has also a high quality interior and a nice one to my taste.

It has the same length as the HR 412 but the beam is only 3.75 versus 4.11m and most of all the Swedestar is 2900kg lighter, having a much bigger B/D ratio (0.43 to 0.36).

Even being almost 3T lighter the Swedestar carries more sail than the HR , both boats with jib, 93.0m2 to 90.0 and that would make it not only much faster than the HR in all points of sail and sea conditions as will make it a fast boat by any standards.

The only thing I don't like is the aesthetic treatment of the transom but I guess I could live with that:D. That looks to be a fantastic boat. I am very curious to hear what the boat testers say about this boat.

Mr X can you tell us what are they saying on that test on the movie, I mean the general idea?









 
#2,838 ·
Re: HR 412; XC 42; Swedestar 415

Mr X can you tell us what are they saying on that test on the movie, I mean the general idea?

Hi Paolo, I assume you mean me! Well, I could tell you what they say but I think your english is as good as mine, so maybe a bit overkill?! :p His english is a bit poor so I´ll give you a few hints. They guy beeing interviewed is Håkan Södergren, the designer of the boat. If you don´t know about him you should look him up, he´s a real veteran. I´m friends with his son, so I meet Håkan every now and than, he is a nice bloke.

To me, his designs are quite traditional but still allways very good performers (for cruisers of course). His comments in the video is that he has kept many of the attributes from the Swedestar 370. A rather shallow draft keel is key when sailing in our area. He has moved the sail plan back, which also creates a large fore triangle, which makes for an easy to handle sail plan.

The boats are more expensive than for example Jeanneau etc because of highest quality swedish handcrafted interior.

From experience I can tell you that we outsail Swedestar 370 with my brothers Arcona 340. Maybe no suprise, but still worth noting.

My brother was acutally very close to buying the Södergren designed Tarac, but with his family in mind he went for the Arcona.

Cheers!

//Mr W
 
#2,823 ·
Zeeman 41

For the ones that prefer heavy boats with a stronger modified fin keel and like classic looks I do not know anything better than the Zeeman 41. From the same designer of Puffin 27, the boat has gorgeous looks, fantastic interior, aluminium hull and lots of sail will make this boat a wonderful boat to own and a particularly good bluewater boat.

Take a look:



Zeeman Z41 from Grapefruit Moon on Vimeo.





http://www.zeemanjachtbouw.nl/pdf/specs_Zeeman41.pdf

Zeeman Jachtbouw Enkhuizen | REFIT | Nieuwbouw |

...
 
#2,830 · (Edited)
Zeeman 52



Your wellcome:)

Take a look at the 52 they are making designed by the same Na (Arjen Keer).





Now take a look at the 46ft I have designed more than 10 years ago and that I intended to have it built for myself (also an aluminium boat). Look at both interiors.















There is a big coincidence in what regards design ;)

Well, I find Arjen's boat a very nice one:D







Regards

Paulo
 
#2,827 · (Edited)
C-Fly

Take a look:



No, it is not some amateur doing experiments. This is serious stuff:

Creating C-FLY has required a diverse, highly skilled and dedicated team. The experience and knowledge needed is closely aligned to aerospace engineering and equally challenging.

The design team examined existing and potential concepts for high-speed sailing. Combining this analysis with a healthy respect for real ocean conditions, they evolved a synthesis of the best of current state-of-the-art multi-hull design with the benefits of a unique hydrofoil system.

One of the most challenging aspects of the design was to research and develop wave piercing hydrofoil technology that would meet the requirements of the canard layout. This part of the programme involved extensive tow tank research into novel designs for ventilated hydrofoils.

Computer based modelling tools were used to carry out a comprehensive investigation of fluid dynamics and structural performance, including developing bespoke VPP programs and six degree of freedom models to analyse the boat's behaviour.

Until now C-FLY and its unique hydrofoil technology have remained confidential, with the project privately funded by the team.

With the success of C-FLY Coastal and the concept proven, the team are exploring new avenues for the technology, including a range of concepts from dinghies through to offshore ocean sailing yachts and powerboats.

The team believe the time is right to scale up to C-FLY Ocean, the full-size ocean going version to rival the giant offshore multihulls and to challenge l'Hydroptère, the world's only offshore sailing hydrofoil.

The C-FLY team is now looking for a sponsor with a passion for sailing or record breaking, an interest in innovative technology and design, or someone who simply wants to be part of making C-FLY headline news worldwide.


http://www.c-fly.co.uk/story_future.html

Well, that is something that deserves to be followed. The video is not very impressive but the concept seems interesting, who knows if they cannot develop it for commercial use.
 
#2,828 ·
Vendee Globe

It is almost there, I cannot wait:D

I bet on this kid to be one of the main contenders, even to win the race. He is a kid among big men, but this kid is a great sailor.



Another contender, this one from Spain in an ecologic boat that uses only renewable energy.


Sanso en navigation sur ACCIONA 100% EcoPowered por VendeeGlobeTV
 
#2,829 ·
Vendee Globe

Continuing with the presentation of the racers, remembering that the race starts in some weeks and that amazingly (giving the economic bad moment) they have full house, with the max number of racers allowed: 20

This is the Swiss BERNARD STAMM with Cheminées Poujoulat, having a bad time giving an interview:D


Ça mouille sur Cheminées Poujoulat ! por VendeeGlobeTV

And this one is one of my favorite sailors, Marg Guillemot racing with Safran. This is the guy that on the last edition brought his boat ( racing) home without keel and finishing in 3th. He lost the keel offshore Brasil and made all the way to France without keel many times over 10k. when journalists asked him how hard it had been he smiled and said: well it was like sailing a big dinghy. I used to sail dinghies :D


Des images du skipper Marc Guillemot sur Safran... por VendeeGlobeTV

and these are all the guys...and a girl, Sam, of course:)


Le teaser du Vendée Globe 2012-2013 por VendeeGlobeTV
 
#2,831 · (Edited)
king 40 Cowes week 2012

Beautiful movie taken some days ago, on Cowes week, from one of the fastest 40ft performance cruisers around and I do really mean fast. In real time only the Ker 39 and boats like that will be capable of sailing at the same level. To give you an idea the rating of the boat is substantially bigger than the one of a J133:D

 
#2,833 ·
Classic boats: Pasha

Pasha looks old and beautiful but it is really a modern boat less than 15 years old. It is an aluminum boat designed by William C. Frank of Offshore Yacht Design to be its own boat.

"The designer wanted a strong, fast and comfortable yacht which would benefit from the reduced maintenance associated with modern materials, but one which retained a handsome traditional look. "


Well, I guess he had seceded;)

 
#2,834 ·
Babe 30

In 1935 Olin Stephens (S&S) designed Babe a beautiful 31ft boat meant to be an Ocean racer for the Miami-Nassau and St. Petersburg-Havana races. The boat had the minimum required size for those races.





More than 70 years later S&S picked up the old designed and utilizing today's technologies, modern materials, up-today computer aided design remake the old design, maintaining its old looks on the outside and adapting the hull shape. Now it remains beautiful as it was before, but also a much lighter and a fast boat by modern standards.











This boat deserves to be a success. Or is not cheap but it will never get old, I mean if the 70 year old looks are beautiful today I am pretty sure they will remain beautiful at the turn of the this century:D.

 
#2,839 ·
About yacht design

Hi Paolo,

I read an article by the norwegian boat magazine Seilas a while back which you might find interesting. It´s in Norwegian, so you´ll have to find a way to translate it. I´m not really up for translating the whole article for you.... :eek:

Oops, problem! I can´t attach a pdf! Paolo, if you´re interested in the article, PM me your e-mail adress and I´ll send it to you.

//Mr W
 
#2,840 · (Edited)
Re: About yacht design

Hi Paolo,

I read an article by the norwegian boat magazine Seilas a while back which you might find interesting. It´s in Norwegian, so you´ll have to find a way to translate it. I´m not really up for translating the whole article for you.... :eek:

Oops, problem! I can´t attach a pdf! Paolo, if you´re interested in the article, PM me your e-mail adress and I´ll send it to you.

//Mr W
Can you believe that I started to listen to the guy and his accent Is so thick, so Swedish that my brain decided that he was speaking in Swedish and I just turned out the sound:D

Regarding the Arcona 34 to be faster than the Swedsetar 37 it is normal under certain circumstances, like light wind but I guess that the Swedsetar has a superior rating and with more wind or rough conditions will be probably faster.

Anyway that was not the point: Arcona are performance cruisers and the Swedsetar is more in line with Malo or Halberg-Rassy (the aft cockpit line), well, at half the way between those boats and Arcona even if in what regards performance is much closer to Arcona.

If we compare it with the Arcona 410 we will see that the Arcona is 400kg lighter (7.8 to 8.2T) but also that the Swedestar has more 900kg of ballast. Ok the draft of the Arcona is 2.25 and the Swedestar has only 2.07 and that will represent probably the equivalent of 200 kg of ballast. Even so and with that correction that will give a B/D ratio of 36% to the Arcona tha compares with the 42% of the Swedestar 415.

Of course the Arcona has more beam (3.9 to 3.8m) and that gives it a bit more form stability but I guess it will not be enough to compensate the extra B/D of the Swedestar and its smaller beam will make it a better upwind boat, specially with waves and rough weather.

In what regards sail, the Arcona 410 has 95m2 and the Swedestar 93m2.

I guess that the Arcona will be faster, but not for much since the Swedestar cab carry a genoa more time without reefing and I will bet that upwind with waves and over 12/13K the Swedestar will be faster.

Well, they are two fine boats but I don't know if I don't prefer the Swedestar. I will tell you after seeing the boat in Dusseldorf;)



 
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Paolo .... has the Hanse 412 aft cockpit made it into this thread ? If not, let me know and I'll post it. For her size, she is for me a very nice design. I think perhaps more interesting than the Malo 40 or 43.

Andrew
 
#2,842 ·
Hanse 415

Paolo .... has the Hanse 412 aft cockpit made it into this thread ? If not, let me know and I'll post it. For her size, she is for me a very nice design. I think perhaps more interesting than the Malo 40 or 43.

Andrew
Hi, Andrew,

Have a look at page 308 posts 3072, 3073, 3074.

Please quote at will and tell us what you think about the boat and if you agree with the expressed opinions. Welcome to the discussion;)

Regards

Paulo
 
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Giraglia 2012

Another classic I miss during my summer cruising : Great classic that had provide us with great images.

You can choose between a TP 52, a Swan 45, a X-55, a GP42 and if you fell that those are boats only for rich guys, go with an "old" First 40.7: Padawan, they are having great fun, great sailing too;). They are all flying low over the water;)












 
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Nordhavn 56

Yachtingworld tested recently one of the ugliest boats around:



I confess that I don't understand this boat. Ok, nothing wrong with Trawlers, but to put sails in one, I mean not one that is old styled and whose lines come from the time were fishing boats had sails, but a modern looking one with sails?

If someone has over a million dollars to give for a trawler why the well he wants sails? That thing will not give any pleasure to sail and will go fast motoring. I confess I don't get it.

If someone has over a million to give for a motorsailer at least he can get a nice one and I don't know of a nicer one than this one, a Bob Perry design. I think the boat has not been made yet and that is just a shame. A beauty like that should come to existance;)

 
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