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10-12-2012 06:23 PM
Re: Winter Storage - City Island or Port Washington?

Last Saturday was a brisk wind, practice raising/lowering your main in more benign conditions using your autopilot...will give you time
to deal with a snag until you set up your lazy jacks like you want.
Suggest don't force sails up/down/in/out with winch.
If Port Wash. is convenient for you and looking for a less expensive yard that you can do own work, talk to Gulfway think @42 ft(but they want to paint bottom).
I will be taking my boat tomorrow from my mooring to one of their slips where I'll sail out of for another 6 weeks or so.
You have a great cover and will be able to do a lot of work over the
winter with it on. I have a similar cover and in the dead of winter if
there is some sun out it is comfortable to work. Sometimes with
propane heater(vented) sometimes not.
I made a frame out of PVC piping years ago and is real cheap and
easy to install, should be pictures on sailnet or cruisersforum or
PM me if interested.
10-12-2012 02:02 PM
Re: Winter Storage - City Island or Port Washington?

Hi Guys,

Thanks for suggestions. I will investigate tomorrow to see if the lazy jacks can be pulled in towards the mast. I did find a line that eased them but it's not really that helpful. As you guys have pointed out, it would be better to be able to pull them in out of the way.

The sail slugs are metal and not plastic. I think I'll just need to head up better and deploy the autopilot next time. Maybe some more McLube will do it.

Caleb, at the moment she's on a mooring in Port Washington Harbor. I got a deal on it for a 1 month stay until end of Oct.

I got to haul soon and also learn how to winterize. This weekend I'm going to turn all fawcets on and drain the fresh water tanks ready for anti freeze. Also I'm going to get the holding tank pumped.

What are the thoughts about leaving her uncovered during the winter season?

I do have a fairclough cover but not frame (long story) they quoted me $1100 for a new frame. Cannot use shrinkwrap and she is awlgripped and shrinkwrap against awlgrip is a no no.

10-11-2012 06:18 PM
Re: Winter Storage - City Island or Port Washington?

You can make the EZ jack system yourself if your are so inclined, It is the best design I have seen for getting them out of the way and not having to modify your sail cover. Additionally you can rig them so that you can deploy them from the cockpit. This is a great help when you singlehand as you dont have to go up on the foredeck until you get back to the dock or anchorage.

10-11-2012 03:05 PM
Re: Winter Storage - City Island or Port Washington?

Sabre sailboats are pretty highly regarded so you've got a good one there.
As Dave suggested, you need to be able to "hide" or stow the lazy jacks when raising the main sail. See if you can find the control lines for your Lazy Jacks - you should be able to loosen them. If not, consider replacing the Lazy Jack sail control lines with bungee cord line. This way the Lazy Jacks can be stretched up to the mast and fixed there so they are out of the way of the sail when raising.

If your main sail has those plastic sail slides to hold them in the slot I can tell you that they do wear down and will pop out of the sail track at the most inconvenient times. You can get new sail slides from Sailrite (and other places) which may require a little sewing to attach them to your sail. If you don't have one I'll recommend the Speedy Stitcher kit: Speedy Stitcher Sewing Awl Kit - Online Video Instructions for the Sewing Awl

Sail slide (3/4"): Slide Nylon Internal Flat 3/4"
It is quite important to get the exact size to fit your mast track.

Getting from NY to Port Washington is an easy train ride. Less easy by car.
Which marina are you keeping your boat in now? Most of the marinas there are about 1 mile away from the train station.
10-11-2012 09:13 AM
Re: Winter Storage - City Island or Port Washington?

Sabres are nice boats.

Invest in EZ Jacks, they can be deployed from the cockpit, and when you get anchored or moored you pull them abck to the mast and inder the sail (or cover) so they are not in your way when you raise you main the next time you are out or need to. Also make sure you are heading up into the wind directly when raising the main.

If you are buy yourself and dont have an autopilot set the pedestal wheel brake and put the sail up in a p;rotected non windy area if possible.


10-11-2012 03:00 AM
Re: Winter Storage - City Island or Port Washington?

Oh and another thing that I love, when I get my sails all trimmed up, she just sails along on the same tack for ages. I could sit back and enjoy the ride. It takes a long while before she heads up or falls off. I love it.
10-11-2012 02:42 AM
Re: Winter Storage - City Island or Port Washington?

By the way, I took her out this past Saturday on my own. Most of my friends live in Manhattan and don't get the concept of how much fun this is... don't want to take the trek out to Port Washington on a weekend.

I loved it, even if I was on my own and doing less than 3 knots, I just kept looking at the other guys points of sail and trying to mimic it and trim accordingly :-)

My problems, getting the bloody main up, the battens keep catching on the lazy jacks, and also one of the slugs decided to drop out of the mast channel.

I head up as best I can but it's a bitch to get the main up on your own, it needs to be guided by hand so the battens don't snag on the lazy jack lines. Plus it's a bitch to get it up. I did spray the mast channel with that lubricant (the $30 buck harken stuff..) but still. Maybe I should use a winch handle but I'm scared of ripping something...

One thing that I learned is that the main should go up first. So many people told me to use the roller furler, it's wrong. I can't tack with just the head sail. I've learned from here, main first and last.

Anyway it was great with just the main and I got 5 knots (on the GPS) at times, I used the traveler and the main sheet to control over power.

Eventually I rolled out the genoa but I could not get a handle on it, seems like I can't work out how far aft or forward I should move the genoa block.

Also, I need gloves, my hands where torn up.

The Sabre seems so forgiving of me making rookie mistakes. Self tailing is king here.

I wish I could get better sail trim with the genny and main up, I think the genny is 120.

Also the main slug at the end is not slotted into the boom, I can't seem to get the outhaul to work..

I only did the basic keel course out of liberty landing with offshore sailing (highly recommend them by the way, it was excellent) but decided the money they wanted for the next level courses would be best invested in buying a boat and.... making all these mistakes..

Buy a boat, go sailing, you will learn quickly
10-10-2012 11:42 AM
Re: Winter Storage - City Island or Port Washington?

Hi Guys,

Thanks for the help!

I did speak with George at MBSY and he told me about not being able to paint at the yard but was open to me working on my boat (and lord knows there's a lot of work to do

Plumbean, funny about the purchase price just being a license to spend more money!

Caleb, thanks again for your help. I will check out the Hempstead Harbor Club. I'm also going to call around City Island places.

The rocks that I found.... "Big Tom Rock" - from Active Captain.

Latitude: 4050.101'N
Longitude: 07347.337'W
10-05-2012 11:11 PM
Marcel D
Re: Winter Storage - City Island or Port Washington?

We keep our boat at Port Sindey BC and for a 34 foot slip is 540.00 per month ouch. But we love to sail and the marina is very nice.
10-05-2012 11:07 PM
Re: Winter Storage - City Island or Port Washington?

Caleb is correct. You need to do some digging to make sure you know what the all in cost is for the haul out. Some places charge separately for a lot things, and others lump it all together. When I'm shopping I usually create a spreadsheet to try and get to an apples to apples comparison.

George is a good guy. I kept my boat at MBSY last winter and just sent in my contract for this winter. It is a little more expensive than what I paid at Glen Cove Marina, but after the Evil Empire (er, I mean Brewers) took that place over their prices went up such that I'd rather keep the old girl at MBSY, which is 10 minutes from my house.

FYI, you can't do your own bottom paint at MBSY (or most places for that matter), so that is extra.

Oh yeah, and that purchase price you paid was really just a license fee that permits you to spend money and time on the boat ...
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