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10-22-2012 08:09 PM
JulieMor
Re: Woman Missing – A warning to Newbies.

There are better ways to commit insurance fraud, ones in which you have a good chance of actually surviving. If she was an experienced sailor she would have known the risks. The whole thing defies logic.

But people can do very strange things. I read about two guys who decided to fake an accident. They got drunk, staged a motorcycle accident, then one of the guys proceeded to try to chop off his foot off with a hatchet. He said it hurt so bad he had to get even drunker. They got caught. Hatchet guy had his foot amputated (they couldn't save it) then they both went to jail. You just never know.
10-22-2012 01:23 PM
miatapaul
Re: Oh, bummer, the seven year rule...

Quote:
Originally Posted by jameswilson29 View Post
I am not implying that this is a case of insurance fraud by any means and I still view this whole situation as a tragedy for the families.

In regard to the suggestion she might have faked her death - faking your death on a boat is not such a great idea.

There is a common law rule that a missing person is not presumed dead for seven years, unless the circumstantial evidence leads to the inescapable conclusion of death.

I am not sure what the rule is in England, but in many states, it's so sorry, no insurance money for seven years...

There was a man recently in the U.S. who at least tried crashing his private plane to fake his death (a much more sure thing than being missing off a boat). The investigators determined it was a fake and he was subsequently found, arrested and convicted.
Oh I agree that there is no evidence of fraud, but the actions are so out of character of someone in sound mind that it is what makes one think of it.
10-22-2012 01:21 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Oh, bummer, the seven year rule...

Quote:
Originally Posted by jameswilson29 View Post
I am not implying that this is a case of insurance fraud by any means and I still view this whole situation as a tragedy for the families.

In regard to the suggestion she might have faked her death - faking your death on a boat is not such a great idea.

There is a common law rule that a missing person is not presumed dead for seven years, unless the circumstantial evidence leads to the inescapable conclusion of death.

I am not sure what the rule is in England, but in many states, it's so sorry, no insurance money for seven years...

There was a man recently in the U.S. who at least tried crashing his private plane to fake his death (a much more sure thing than being missing off a boat). The investigators determined it was a fake and he was subsequently found, arrested and convicted.
I think finding the scraps of a wrecked boat on the Cornish coast would qualify as "inescapable conclusion of death."
10-22-2012 12:24 PM
jameswilson29
Oh, bummer, the seven year rule...

I am not implying that this is a case of insurance fraud by any means and I still view this whole situation as a tragedy for the families.

In regard to the suggestion she might have faked her death - faking your death on a boat is not such a great idea.

There is a common law rule that a missing person is not presumed dead for seven years, unless the circumstantial evidence leads to the inescapable conclusion of death.

I am not sure what the rule is in England, but in many states, it's so sorry, no insurance money for seven years...

There was a man recently in the U.S. who at least tried crashing his private plane to fake his death (a much more sure thing than being missing off a boat). The investigators determined it was a fake and he was subsequently found, arrested and convicted.
10-22-2012 12:20 PM
JulieMor
Re: Woman Missing – A warning to Newbies.

So she took the boat out into eel-infested waters. When she was far enough out, she jumped overboard. The eels began to screech and...

10-22-2012 11:37 AM
miatapaul
Re: Woman Missing – A warning to Newbies.

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Originally Posted by Captainmeme View Post
I think, like it matters, the police would investigate the life insurance angle first. Looks really bad to pull a million dollar policy one day and have the insured disappear the next.

My new theory, arrived at after some liquid lubrication, is this. The jilted girl friend of the remarried husband has her real boy friend do the deed. The plan hatched by the two, jilted girl friend and her boy friend was to have the jilted girl friend marry the remarried husband, whack him for the estate, then the girl friend and the boy friend live happily ever after. But the missing wife threw a monkey wrench in that plan by remarrying the husband. Now with the wife gone the original plan can be executed.

I still like zombie in the forward locker scenario but that is a bit unrealistic. My new scenario is realistic and has been done many times throughout history.
By the look of it the husband is a zombie.

Basically to prove fraud they have to find her alive, if she hides out well enough, they won't find her. But given her likeness for a flashy lifestyle I imagine they will find her if it is fraud.
10-22-2012 11:17 AM
Captainmeme
Re: Woman Missing – A warning to Newbies.

I think, like it matters, the police would investigate the life insurance angle first. Looks really bad to pull a million dollar policy one day and have the insured disappear the next.

My new theory, arrived at after some liquid lubrication, is this. The jilted girl friend of the remarried husband has her real boy friend do the deed. The plan hatched by the two, jilted girl friend and her boy friend was to have the jilted girl friend marry the remarried husband, whack him for the estate, then the girl friend and the boy friend live happily ever after. But the missing wife threw a monkey wrench in that plan by remarrying the husband. Now with the wife gone the original plan can be executed.

I still like zombie in the forward locker scenario but that is a bit unrealistic. My new scenario is realistic and has been done many times throughout history.
10-22-2012 12:02 AM
steel
Re: Woman Missing – A warning to Newbies.

I think there is a possibility that she is just fine and her trip went according to plan. The ship that picked her up would have then rammed her abandoned boat. edit: or let it drift in to the lee shore as was mentioned before. When people get rich, it only increases their desire to get richer.
10-18-2012 06:49 PM
hellosailor
Re: Woman Missing – A warning to Newbies.

Debris field:

Well, maybe she did nothing wrong and just got hit by a big meteorite.

File under "sh|t happens".
10-18-2012 03:28 PM
JulieMor
Re: Woman Missing – A warning to Newbies.

West Morning News
Thursday, October 18, 2012

Wreckage of a yacht washed up across a long stretch of West Cornwall has been positively identified as belonging to a millionaire lone yachtswoman.

"One piece of the wreckage had an identification number from which we were able to confirm the name of the yacht.

"The spread of the wreckage was very large, from just south of Land's End to Godrevy and Hayle."

Emergency services called off the search operation on Tuesday and it is believed there is no chance for Mrs Unwin, known as Mary, to have survived.


It's still possible they could find the body. When I was 12 I has the misfortune of finding the body of a sailor who had been lost overboard two months prior. But that was in Lake Michigan.

Moral of the story: Know your limits.
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