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HMS Bounty in trouble...

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#1 ·
The HMS Bounty is a tall ship that was built in Nova Scotia in 1961 for the MGM movie "Mutiny on the Bounty", starring Marlon Brando...she appears to be in trouble from Hurricane Sandy.

From ABC News:
2:55 AM EDT: Coast Guard spokesman David Weydert tells ABC News, "The Coast Guard received notification that the sailing vessel HMS Bounty was in distress. We responded by sending out a C-130 aircraft and we're currently monitoring the situation."

And the ships website confirms she is in harms way:
TallShipBounty.org

I sure hope this story has a happy ending.
 
#126 ·
If the ship was designed like most modern ships, the pumps are purely AC. The main engine turns the screw and nothing else. They probably had a GM 671 or similar genset for a boat designed in the late fifties or 1960. (just a guess) I say this because it sounds like this ship was designed like a tugboat that looked like a sailing ship, not an oversized sailing yacht as one would believe. On many large vessels, the bilge pumps cannot keep up with a hull breach. You rig up dewatering using the fire main and eductors. The problem is the fire main runs off an electric motor, too.

All the water had to do was knock out the switchboard, then it would all be over with. No bilge pump, no fire main, no way to survive a hull breach.
 
#127 ·
#128 · (Edited)
At some point they lost propulsion too, which meant they couldn't keep themselves from being broadside to the waves = broached.
Which makes perfect sense, since the fuel transfer pump would be electric. Once these poor folks lost power during flooding the ship was doomed. If the ship was broached, can you imagine what that ride was like? There's no telling what kind of gear adrift was sliding around trying to kill everyone. I'd be in the lifeboat, too. At least nothing in the lifeboat is going to crush you.
 
#129 ·
Some here have made reference to the fact that the HMS Bounty was built for the 1962 film "Mutiny on the Bounty" and speculated that the vessel may have been a 'movie prop' and, therefore, less than seaworthy. The HMS Bounty was built by Smith & Rhuland in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia. Smith & Rhuland were commercial shipbuilders from 1900 until 1967, launching over 250 hulls including, tugs, ferries, minesweepers, cargo vessels, yachts, and Grand Banks schooners (including the Bluenose and the Bluenose II). They didn't build movie props; everything launched from their slip was solid & seaworthy.

Apparently quite a bit of work was done over the last 10 years (mostly in Maine yards), including re-planking the hull, replacing and rebuilding main engines and generators and some new spars. That said, I can't comment on the condition of the HMS Bounty as she sailed on her last voyage. Any wooden boat owner will tell you it is a continuous cycle of maintenance. I, for one, will wait until the report of the investigation comes out (at least a few months, I am guessing) before speculating on the root causes of this tragedy.
 
#131 · (Edited)
Some here have made reference to the fact that the HMS Bounty was built for the 1962 film "Mutiny on the Bounty" and speculated that the vessel may have been a 'movie prop' and, therefore, less than seaworthy. The HMS Bounty was built by Smith & Rhuland in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia. Smith & Rhuland were commercial shipbuilders from 1900 until 1967, launching over 250 hulls including, tugs, ferries, minesweepers, cargo vessels, yachts, and Grand Banks schooners (including the Bluenose and the Bluenose II). They didn't build movie props; everything launched from their slip was solid & seaworthy.

Apparently quite a bit of work was done over the last 10 years (mostly in Maine yards), including re-planking the hull, replacing and rebuilding main engines and generators and some new spars. That said, I can't comment on the condition of the HMS Bounty as she sailed on her last voyage. Any wooden boat owner will tell you it is a continuous cycle of maintenance. I, for one, will wait until the report of the investigation comes out (at least a few months, I am guessing) before speculating on the root causes of this tragedy.
A sail boat or any boat is built by a builder following a specification list. This was a boat that was meant to be used on a single movie and burned at the end of the movie. I am quite sure the specification list take well in consideration that this was just a boat that should last some months and not a boat to endure many storms and many years of sailing.

The price of building a boat with the specifications needed to stay together during some months would be very different of one that was built to stay afloat a lifetime so I am pretty sure the specifications would take that into consideration. Movies are run on a tight budget;)

Regards

Paulo
 
#136 ·
A fundamental problem in the "fog of a hurricane foundering" is that facts we do know are not fully lining up with all the statements being made by interested parties. That always gives rise to some suspicion. I'm sure more of the story will come to light. It's almost impossible to keep 14 people from talking.
 
#137 · (Edited)
we can theorize out our ears and invent scenarios, or we can read all the words penned in virtual log shared openly with all on their website and their fb pages--was described step by step thruout the situation and rescue was on tape provided by uscg, and uscg had pix of the sinking of bounty--her last minutes---
OR we can accept the words written about the event and respect the boat lost and her mater of 20 years missing in the same sea that claimed her.
is a sad time- why do folks have to bash decisions made and counter the info as written by the folks OF bounty?
please read the info they provided then make your comments to the decisions made--to invent scenarios that were not in play is not respectful to the dead and missing.
it wasnt difficult to follow the proceedings closely thru their own words and pictures of weather and their tracking pattern thru the narrow spacing between storm front and hurricane.

when bounty was in sd in 2008, spring, i spent some time on board--more than the tour--as i had a friend who was crew and was incredibly proud of his ship--that boat was stout. she was well maintained, and hauled regularly--i saw pix of the work they did in 2007--wow!!--more often than our own recreational boats. i saw her bones. she was incredible, and she had soul and a spirit to match her build.

bounty is an icon that will be missed.

dont ye think it strange that the bounty and her master of 20 yrs and direct descendent of fletcher christian all go missing on same day????
 
#141 ·
After the 2011 tragedy during the North American Rally to the Caribbean, Don Street wrote an article for Cruising World. In it he basically said heading south from New England in October is playing Russian roulette. He recommends leaving in September or November and has been advocating that since 1964, when he wrote "Going South" for Yachting.

If you look at this NOAA chart, which shows hurricane paths in the Atlantic, you see a bottle neck off the coast of the Carolinas, close to where the Bounty capsized.


There is an enormous amount of information regarding weather in the Atlantic. There are countless sailors, many with decades of experience, who have experienced first hand what the Atlantic can dish out in October, and lived to tell their stories. You don't have to be an experienced sailor to gain this knowledge, you only have to be able to read.

The information we have available thus far tells us the captain knew he was heading into rough weather. It tells us he liked to hire inexperienced crew so he could train them. It tells us he knew he would at least be skirting a hurricane and had decided to try to squeeze his boat between the coast and the west perimeter of the storm. And if he was as experienced as he is reported to have been, he would have known the paths of previous hurricanes and, more importantly, that no one can predict weather so precisely as to create that magic window that will guarantee safety for ship and crew when heading into a storm.

Time and again we see people making decisions that result in the loss of human life. Short of having a gun to his head, I see no reason why the captain had to head out to sea during the most dangerous season in the Atlantic.

Maybe chart plotters should have this over the Atlantic in October:
 
#142 ·
Yes, I read both articles by Don Street and Jen Brett a few months ago. I agree with them. But for most of us, it will let us think twice every time we plan to go into the Pond. But it hardly deters us sailing to Bermuda or BVI.

I guess it depends on what is your objective for your hobby. It will be insane for me to ask a fisherman to stop fishing becasue he can buy the fish in the supermarket. Likewise, I can't ask the Golfer to pick his ball and put in the hole. It is sure more efficient than putting the ball with a stick.

Against all element and odds, to come out alive have its reward. When we go sailing, other human lives will be at stake, I advocate that we all should sail solo in the Pond and don't activate your EPIRB if our boat is sinking. We should get into our life raft and wait for the storm to pass, then activate our EPIRB and get pick up. By doing so, no one needs to risk their live to save our ass. I have thought about this for many years. That is what I am going to do :).

For my $1.5 MM insurance policy, my wife encourages me to paddle my Kayak to UK. :laugher
 
#143 · (Edited)
A relative newbie asked one of our sailing mentors how he could tell if he was ready for his first major passage. Our mentor replied, "When you are willing to do it without insurance."

Like your EPIRB, this says it all.

Edit: "your" refers to RockDAWG's post
 
#145 ·
For me and possibly many others is why was the Bounty out there in trhe first place. What compelling reason had they for sailing out into what was being forecast as a superstorm.
As for the statement that ta ship is safer at sea than in a harbor -- maybe for a warship with power to burn, a large and experienced crew and backup systems on backup systems but not for anything else, esepcially for an undermanned square-rigger.
The original Bounty had a crew of 44 officers and men this version had 16.
The original Bounty was a Royal Navy ship and as such her officers had started out as midshipmen in their young teens and had sailed these ships in all kinds of conditions and all sorts of weather. The same was true of the petty officers. While the crews usually had at least a leavening of experienced sailors.
The Bounty was not a sailboat, she was a full-rigged sailing ship. She handled in a very different manner from the vessels we sail, especially in extreme conditions. With all due respect to this captain and crew there is no way they could have had the experience necessary to sail the Bounty through Sandy.
I suspect that the plan was to motor until they were past the storm and then motorsail. I have no idea how the Bounty would handle under power especially with no press of canvas to provide some stability.
We don't know why the Bounty started taking on a lot of water.We also don't know whether the rising water drowned the engines and the generator or whether power was lost for some other reason. In either xase the ship was doomed.
So again why was the Bounty out there in the first place.
 
#155 · (Edited)
...
The original Bounty had a crew of 44 officers and men this version had 16.
The original Bounty was a Royal Navy ship and as such her officers had started out as midshipmen in their young teens and had sailed these ships in all kinds of conditions and all sorts of weather. The same was true of the petty officers. While the crews usually had at least a leavening of experienced sailors.

The Bounty was not a sailboat, she was a full-rigged sailing ship. She handled in a very different manner from the vessels we sail, especially in extreme conditions. With all due respect to this captain and crew there is no way they could have had the experience necessary to sail the Bounty through Sandy.
I suspect that the plan was to motor until they were past the storm and then motorsail. I have no idea how the Bounty would handle under power especially with no press of canvas to provide some stability.
We don't know why the Bounty started taking on a lot of water.We also don't know whether the rising water drowned the engines and the generator or whether power was lost for some other reason. In either xase the ship was doomed.
So again why was the Bounty out there in the first place.
I guess it is one of the best posts if not the best on this thread.

I think that the lost of this boat and Concordia should raise some questions about the way these ships are administrated, the minimum requirements in what regards the number and qualification of the crews and mandatory regular inspections in what regards the condition of the ships. Very old wooden ships should have very frequent mandatory inspections.

What you say about the crew and the comparison of a high professional and seasoned 44 crew with a skeleton crew of semi-amateur sailors is obvious. It seems that the only true professional on that boat was the Captain.

I don't know if that was relevant for the accident but I know that the conditions that the boat faced would not be fatal for a well manned ship of that type. I don't know if the number and quality of the crew contributed to the accident or if the boat was just not in condition to take that kind of punishment and made too much water.

In any of the cases the Captain should know that his crew was not up to face really bad weather in that ship or that the ship was not in conditions to endure bad weather. In any of the cases it should have stayed in Port.

"But as the search enters its fourth day, persistent questions arise about why the captain put a small, mostly greenhorn crew into the treacherous waters off Cape Hatteras, N.C., within reach of a hurricane"...

In the 18th century, the original Bounty's full crew would have hoisted smaller storm sails to keep the ship plowing in one direction. But that didn't happen as things began to go wrong on Sunday, including the reported loss of diesel power.

Powerless, "that ship would have been careening on all three axes and it's possible that a hole opened up, a plank loosened up, and once she lost power there's no chance to get storm sails up and manage them with just 16 people on board - remember, the original Bounty had a crew of 100," says Mr. Mercogliano.



Many questions, few answers about loss of HMS Bounty to hurricane Sandy - CSMonitor.com

Regards

Paulo
 
#146 ·
No one here knows what the condition of the boat was nor what the original specifications were. Did they use the right kind of wood to frame and plank her? No one knows (although we do know some of the shipbuilding woods used to build the original hulls are simply unavailable now at any price). It's all pure speculation. All we know is that she was in a dangerous place and did not have to be there.
 
#147 · (Edited)
years ago i was advised she had coins.
i was shown the hull. she was awesome.
read the epic tale in the bounty's pages of the reality of the situation. is revealing and accurate to what was occurring, per the cpt and crew as it happened. most interesting material, including his chosen path BETWEEN front and storm--they were in calmer seas and lighter winds and had only the generator as a problem. they were NOT in the hurricane, they were west of it, and east of the approaching cold front that eventually merged with the hurricane. very interesting stuff.
it will be interesting to read each crew's memories as they are written, or after they are--but i believe the overall facts will match that which was on the pages of bounty as she endured the situation.
 
#148 ·
years ago i was advised she had coins.
i was shown the hull. she was awesome.
read the epic tale in the bounty's pages of the reality of the situation. is revealing and accurate to what was occurring, per the cpt and crew as it happened. most interesting material, including his chosen path BETWEEN front and storm--they were in calmer seas and lighter winds and had only the generator as a problem. they were NOT in the hurricane, they were west of it, and east of the approaching cold front that eventually merged with the hurricane. very interesting stuff.
Could you post a link to this?
Regards
 
#149 ·
Zee, I saw the same thing. And I'm reminded of a t-shirt that says something like, "Don't go sailing, you could get turned over by a wave and die. You could get swallowed by a shark and die. You could get struck by lightning and die." After the cartoon of a guy on a sofa with the big beer belly watching TV with the remote control in his hand and the snacks in front of him, "You could fall out of bed and die."

Or something like that. (sorry, this is all hitting really close to home these couple of days)
 
#156 ·
Some comments from am amateur freshwater catamaran jockey....
note that at the time of sinking and the previous 12 hours that
the Bounty was approximately due west of the storm eye
and even if there were 18 to 25 foot waves, the wind direction
from the counterclockwise storm should have been blowing directly
from their tail end. Now I know it would be foolish to have
any kinds of canvas up ( I think ? ) or maybe not, if the engine
is lost perhaps a small one up front to maintain direction
and stability.... Could the crew of pretty girls managed to hoist
any canvas in that manner in 45 knot winds is another question.

Someday we will know if they were unlucky and had a mechanical
breakdown or whether the waves coming over the sides
of the ship and down into the bottom drowned the engines.

In that case, the ship simply succumbed to conditions bigger
than it could handle ( and sunk by design ).
I wonder if the ships log for the last 50 years could reveal what
the tallest and roughest seas the ship has ever encounted and handled.
were.

Academically, I would like to know if the ship had sailed due east
out into the Atlantic how far it could have gotton since it would
have been sailing head on into the hurricane head winds because
of the counter clockwise storm. Or maybe when the ship left
port there were no headwinds for a day or two and they
could have made good progress.

I do remember that the ship was capable of 10 knots speed
under power and that is in dead calm seas and winds.

So, assume first two days of no headwinds and the ship could have
been 480 miles ( 48 hrs times 10 knots) due east from dock into the
atlantic and then maybe 75 miles a day for the next 3 days. That would
have put it 700 miles out into the Atlantic after 5 days at sea.

I think that is the decision that should have been made if
we went back in a Time Machine and could tell captain what to
do.

Also, regarding survival suits and swimming in washing machine
seas of 18 to 25 feet. The problem is breathing and fatigue
exhaustion of fighting for clear air to breathe. Do we have any
technology that could help us breathe other than tanks which
would run out of air anyway. I was thinking a mask and snorkel
would be better. Dont the navy swimmers wear mask and snorkel?

Maybe you could float and get a breath when you hit clear air
and then hold your breath and exhale a minute later to get
another breath when you hit clear air once again.

But wow, what if you had to do that for 24 or 36 hours to stay
alive ?

I do have a suggestion, the firemen wear small tanks good for
20 minutes and I think survival suits should have them just to
allow enough air to swim to the life raft etc. It is a shame
the last two to leave the ship could not make it to the
life rafts. What a pretty little girl.. Miss Teen Alaska a few years
back.
 
#157 ·
Also, regarding survival suits and swimming in washing machine
seas of 18 to 25 feet. The problem is breathing and fatigue
exhaustion of fighting for clear air to breathe. Do we have any
technology that could help us breathe other than tanks which
would run out of air anyway. I was thinking a mask and snorkel
would be better. Dont the navy swimmers wear mask and snorkel?

Maybe you could float and get a breath when you hit clear air
and then hold your breath and exhale a minute later to get
another breath when you hit clear air once again.

But wow, what if you had to do that for 24 or 36 hours to stay
alive ?

I do have a suggestion, the firemen wear small tanks good for
20 minutes and I think survival suits should have them just to
allow enough air to swim to the life raft etc. QUOTE]

Some survival suits have a piece of clear plastic to cover your face to allow you to breathe air and not water/sea foam. But your are right, after many hours one would be exhausted I would think.

Some cat sailors apparently carry a small scuba tank good for 20 minutes.
 
#170 ·
Wow!....Talk about "Tugging on Superman's cape"! I'll bet you would be hard pressed to find skippers of modern ships with that much disregard for the forces of nature... Much less, an old style "underpowered" wooden boat with massive windows in the Stearn (nice view, but what could go wrong there in a hurry in big seas?)!
In addition, regarding an earlier post stating this ship carried considerably fewer and less experienced crew than the original Bounty - According to this interview, it was twice the size of the original! Unlike the Bounty, it did have a motor, but still...
 
#162 ·
That is unbelievable! I got the impression he thought the boat was invincible and therefore his ambitions were reasonable. I just wonder if the crew had the same opinions on the subject.

It almost makes you wonder if he didn't sail out towards Sandy specifically for the thrill. I hope not. There's no place for thrill-seeking when you're responsible for human lives.
 
#165 ·
they were never IN a hurricane. never. they wer e WEST of the hurricane and AST of a strong cold front, that was merging with the hurricane. if you GO TO BOUNTY'S FB AN DWEB PAGES you will see the path exactly between the two fronts. no steep seas and winds were only 40 mph, as per the rescue scene. where the two fronts have meeting winds, is a space not wide , to be able to use for a time.
please read bounty's sites and see what he was doing and what exactly happened. if you noticed in some videos of the bounty, her hatches were open, causing ingress of plenty of water. her sailing in a sea fast is a twisty action on the hull-- therefore need for pumps in any wood ship. is most important tool in wood boat--pumps and extra pumps.
answer your questions, as i answered mine -- read the pages written by the team receiving the info from the ship as they had problems. is posted in both sites.
 
#166 ·
Ok answer these questions:
From video Capt states (I think I herd this correctly, audio is poor on my end) that the original Bounty was 97 feet, and the replica was 180 feet. The replica in no way can represent the sea worthy qualities of the original. Capt states although drawings were obtained during the ship's building, they probably were not used.

Capt also states the ship can only go 90 degrees to the wind and the ship cannot sail into the wind. Then Capt says they do not use the engines at sea, only sail. Do not see how you can sail a ship by basically always going sideways or down wind, seeing they went to places that were opposite direction to the normal trade wind routes. And if the ship normally always sailed while at ses, why would the loss of the engines be a problem- apparently the engines were not used to dewater the boat, the genset was (which was knocked out of service).
 
#175 ·
Coast Guard suspends search for missing captain of HMS BountyPORTSMOUTH, Va. — The Coast Guard suspended its search Thursday for the missing captain of the HMS Bounty 200 miles southeast of Hatteras, N.C.

Missing is Robin Walbridge, 63.

“Our thoughts and prayers are with the Walbridge and Christian families," said Capt. Doug Cameron, the chief of incident response for the Coast Guard 5th District. ”Suspending a search and rescue case is one of the hardest decisions we have to make.”

The following Coast Guard assets assisted in the search:

•HC-130 Hercules aircrews from Elizabeth City, N.C. and Clearwater, Fla.
•MH-60 Jayhawk crews from Air Station Elizabeth City
•Coast Guard HC-144 Ocean Sentry crews from Miami, Fla.
•Crew aboard the Coast Guard Cutter Elm, a 225-foot buoy tender homeported in Atlantic Beach, N.C.
•Crew aboard the Coast Guard Cutter Gallatin, a 378-foot high-endurance cutter homeported in Charleston, S.C.
Coast Guard crews searched more than 90 hours, covering approximately 12,000 overlapping square nautical miles in the Atlantic Ocean since the Bounty's crew abandoned ship Monday morning.
 
#180 ·
I have seen the plot that shows the Bounty's position for what appears
to be just the last 24 hours or so. Has anyone seen any plots showing
the Bounty's track for each day since leaving the dock in Connecticutt ?

I've read that he first headed due east before turning south and I'd
like to know how far east he went before the turn.

I saw a projected Hurricane cone track published on the 24th the day
before the Bounty left and that hurricane track shows it goiing
out to sea instead of turning into land in New England.

If, the captain used the projected track from the 24th, I can
see his reasoning for hugging the coast line.

Regarding the hi speeds recorded for a few hours, wouldnt
that have been when he was about due west of the Eye
with the hurricane winds straight behind him ?

I'd like to know the height above the water in calm seas
of the sides or rear of the boat. ie how high waves
would have to be to wash over the side. Now I realize
the boat would be pitching up and down and if the boat
was pointed up the face of a very steep large wave
the tail end of the boat might be just about water
level and a tall 25 wave could be 25 feet above the
rear of the boat.washing over it. This is what we
are talking about here as far as the ship taking
on lots of water. Right ?
 
#181 ·
I have seen the plot that shows the Bounty's position for what appears
to be just the last 24 hours or so. Has anyone seen any plots showing
the Bounty's track for each day since leaving the dock in Connecticutt ?

I've read that he first headed due east before turning south and I'd
like to know how far east he went before the turn.

I saw a projected Hurricane cone track published on the 24th the day
before the Bounty left and that hurricane track shows it goiing
out to sea instead of turning into land in New England.

If, the captain used the projected track from the 24th, I can
see his reasoning for hugging the coast line.............
If you open this link and change the hours on the top to 360 and Update, you'll see it all. They didn't make any effort after leaving Long Island Sound to head East of a 900 mile wide storm, as early reports suggested. On their day of departure, the storms size was absolutely clear and all models had it coming to Hatteras, with almost all showing a turn to NJ. You can google the date read storm reports.

Bounty

If you watch the video above, it seems Robin was a nice guy. But he also said they "chased hurricanes". The pieces are starting to suggest a very intentional act to grab the Western side of the storm and be pushed south. They had done it before. But lion tamers are sometimes attacked by their lions.

Some continue to repeat that they weren't actually in a hurricane. I find that irrelevant. They seem to be intentionally in very heavy weather and looking for the southerly flow of the Western side of the storm. That choice left few if any options, if it turned out to be too tough for the boat or crew to handle.

a tall 25 wave could be 25 feet above the
rear of the boat.washing over it. This is what we
are talking about here as far as the ship taking
on lots of water. Right ?
We don't know, but the survivors should be able to tell us. Also possible that planking let loose. Or both.
 
#182 · (Edited)
Hello, wrongful death lawsuit...Wonder what a jury will think about this dude's actions? I don't think it will matter that the actual conditions leading to her death were merely a gale instead of a full-blown hurricane. The conditions were such that a reasonably prudent professional captain would not have set out to sea in that particular boat at that time. If I were plaintiff's counsel, I would replay the YouTube video portion at 10 minutes 40 seconds as many times as humanely possible, where the "captain" explains how he chases hurricanes.

It's nice that some of you are so sweet and forgiving, but a young woman died as a result of extremely poor decision making by someone in charge of a boat. A captain of a boat is responsible for his crew, period, end of story. This was not an act of god, it was an act of pure stupidity and recklessness.

This incident also demonstrates the fallacy of the importance of years of experience and/or a USCG Captain's license. Neither one means anything without common sense. Applying the pareto principle to sailing, the successful completion of a cruise depends 80% on the captain and 20% on the boat. The ability of the captain is 80% common sense, good judgment and problem-solving ability, and 20% technical know how gained through study and experience.

If you have read the posts on the listerv long enough, you will already have realized there is no shortage of fools who take to the sea as an escape. Do not risk your life on someone who does not demonstrate common sense and sound judgment.

I am beginning to see a pattern on the listserv. After every major storm, we do a play by play on some jackass who decides to leave port immediately prior to the arrival of the storm. Who is going to be next unfortunate victim?
 
#184 · (Edited)
.. The conditions were such that a reasonably prudent professional captain would not have set out to sea in that particular boat at that time. If I were plaintiff's counsel, I would replay the YouTube video portion at 10 minutes 40 seconds as many times as humanely possible, where the "captain" explains how he chases hurricanes.

It's nice that some of you are so sweet and forgiving, but a young woman died as a result of extremely poor decision making by someone in charge of a boat. A captain of a boat is responsible for his crew, period, end of story. This was not an act of god, it was an act of pure stupidity and recklessness.

...

If you have read the posts on the listerv long enough, you will already have realized there is no shortage of fools who take to the sea as an escape. Do not risk your life on someone who does not demonstrate common sense and sound judgment.

I am beginning to see a pattern on the listserv. After every major storm, we do a play by play on some jackass who decides to leave port immediately prior to the arrival of the storm. Who is going to be next unfortunate victim?
I was really shocked with what this Captain says on that video. I knew several Captains that worked on the white fleet, the last sail fishing ships and they all had a natural reverence about the sea power and all feared bad weather. They were no cowards, just men used to earn their lives sailing on one of the nastiest seas (Greenland and Newfound land).

Their views about the sea and seamanship strongly contrasts with the ones expressed by Bounty's Captain.

Regards

Paulo
 
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