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07-03-2013 12:35 AM
nestorph
Re: How Does Your Islander Sail?

After my Islander 28 was lost in Hurricane Sandy, I picked up an Islander 30 Bahama (1983) in Rhode Island. I spent a few months driving the 200 miles on alternate weekends to get her prepped. Finally, two weekends ago, my three-to-four man crew sailed down from Rhode Island, across Long Island Sound, down the East River past Hell Gate and across Raritan Bay to her home port in Keyport, NJ. She sailed beyond my expectations! Our first leg was a gorgeous day with 20 knot winds. She was so well balanced that we were able to lock the wheel and not touch it for hours! That day we were averaging 6 knots and hit 7.2 on occasion. We had a lot of fun motoring down the East River. We caught the high tide at City Island and headed south. At one point, my knot meter was registering 6.5 knots while my GPS was reporting that our SOG was almost 11 knots. We zipped down in no time, swung around the tip of Manhattan, picked up additional passengers the new Liberty Landing Marina and headed home. A great three-day trip!
04-25-2013 01:41 PM
Group9
Re: How Does Your Islander Sail?

I had an Islander 32 (the Bob Perry design). She was a good sailing boat. Really stiff, even in a lot of breeze, right up to the point the rudder couldn't steer her.

The best I ever did with her was 8.6 knots (GPS) in about 25 knots of wind, a little forward of abeam. The funny thing was that about that time I needed to fall off about ten degrees and found that I had no rudder control at all.

Some days, I still wish I had her instead of the Catalina 42 I replaced her with. It sure was a lot easier to take her out by myself or with non-sailing crew.
04-24-2013 05:33 PM
milkehmc
Re: How Does Your Islander Sail?

update:

New Elliptical rudder is functional. better performance. There is significantly less weather helm in good wind. interesting, under power there is less tendency to for boat to veer to starboard from prop wash. almost none at all. But i miss that in maneuvering. We used to use the prop wash as a tool for docking a maneuvering. We could turn her in our own boat length. But now there is significantly less prop wash.

We had a new furler put on and replaced back and fore-stays. Looking forward to trying it out in two weeks on Race To the Straits.

Then this week was servicing Winches and found out one of Lewmar 40 primary winch broke. required new Spindle. and you cannot get a new Spindle. We searched for used 40ST 2 speed to no avail. Then Found a couple lewmar Evo at Minney's Yacht Surplus in Costa Mesa. Having them shipped to Seattle. One always hopes the hole pattern will match from 1983 to today, but it never seems to somehow. So we get to check core condition.

Lots of new gear for Race To Straits. Hoping for good show (meaning not last). racing against 100 other boats from moore 20 to 70 foot sleds for 60 miles. Should be a good test.
11-15-2012 01:55 PM
harbin2
Re: How Does Your Islander Sail?

I have an 81 Bahama 30. I'm very pleased with the way it sails. It is very fast in light winds. I can usually get 6 kts in less than 10 true to windward and easily get 6.5 off the wind. I have an older 110 and a new 140 genoa. With the 140, I can point to 45 degrees. 48 to 50 with the 110. With either genoa reefed, pointing is much worse - a little over 50. In 20 to 25 kts, off the wind, I have had the boat at 8.5 kts numerous times with average speeds over 7.5 over several miles. I often pass boats much larger than mine but I'm always minding trim etc.
On the other hand, I feel the boat IS tender. My main is old but I find I might as well reef it in anything over 10 kts sustained. It only has one reef point. I've thought about having a second one added since in anything over 20, it is mostly luffing with the reef.
I do have some reservations about the boat but the way it sails is not one of them.
harbin2, Northern Chesapeake Bay
11-05-2012 05:42 PM
Creager
Re: How Does Your Islander Sail?

I have an 1974 Islander 30 MK II. This weekend we had a steady 13-15 knts with some sustained gusts up to 21. I had a 130 and main up and never reefed. Boat sailed great the whole time. When the gusts hit while going to windward I would get a noticable weather helm but could ease the headsail a bit and reduce the heal without loosing too much speed. Beam and broad reach was great with 5-6 knots hull speed and very little heal. I sail on a lake and most of the time the wind is light. I concluded this Islander is not a light air boat but is ideal between 10 and 20. 20 being the point where I either reef the main or go to a smaller headsail.
11-02-2012 06:12 PM
milkehmc
Re: How Does Your Islander Sail?

I would echo all these for our 1983 bahama 30. quoted text; "...starting at about 11 kts of wind and need to reef the main at about 15 kts. If I don't it starts developing some significant weather helm and heels excessively (and slows down). In a 10 kt breeze, I manage about 5 kts on a beat and 6.5+ on a reach. At 12kts and higher I'll get to 7 to 7.2 kts on a reach, depending on how flat the water is. The LWL is 24 1/2 feet, giving a hull speed of 6.64 kts. With a SA/D ratio of 17.66 and a D/LWL of 247, I am delighted that my relatively heavy coastal cruiser manages those speeds." end quoted text.

however, we do a lot of sailing without best trim.

I have a new set of party dresses made for lady. Got a 135 foam luff furling jib which we frequently furl to 100%. We have a full batten slightly high road main, just taps backstay at top batten as we tack. it has two reef points for cockpit rigged reefing lines. we keep one set run and rarely reef main.

we have sailed home on weekends in 30plus knows multiple times with just a storm sail corner of jib out. once with two reefs in main and we ended up shaking out to just one reef as boat just was not balanced. performed very comfortably in Puget sound (ie about 3 foot waves).

she handles comfortable in up to 18-20 knots without main reefed and jib furled to 100%, but kills pointing. probably my skills (lacking). But I had to get used to the full batten. We are now comfortable with main top twisted very far out. it looks strange to me but is a full knot faster than heeling. and the sailflow tell tails on the main all fly, the top one wont fly till sail is very twisted off.

we had one fun 45 mile long slightly aft reach in august. hit 7.9 multiple sustained times on impeller speed. at 40 miles the gsp said average speed 7.2. pretty satisfying.

We have raced he some in 20 mile long races and down pretty well. We are going to do a five race jack and jill series next summer and hope to be in top five as we beat several boats this year who were in top five this year in whole series. we ahve a rating of 201 with the 135 jib, so that helps. But it is a small jib. in one single hand race this year I was in a 10 mile shootout with a ranger rated 199. I had to reach back and forth on a the run, where he wing and winged it (flying sails not allowed on this single hand race) with his 150+ jib. stayed just ahead till downwind mark. They we had a five mile tacking dual which saw the lead change hands five times. Mostly do to single hand blown tacks. At the drag to the finish it was a contest to see if he could sail high enough to escape before I rolled him. Ended up winning by 11 seconds corrected. I really really wish we had some local B30 boats here to go head to head.

in another race we sailed with jib furled to 100% and full main doing 6.5 upwind in 15+. we though we had missed the time limit (very light wind first half of 30 mile race) so didnt push it to finish. But got scored very competitive and passed a couple similar 30 foot boats who were heeled over further.

We were under a small asymmetrical we purchased off a 28 ft boat one day just coming home from a cruise. Just about as tight a reach as we could sail the chute and got knocked down as crew was going forward to douse sail in a quickly rising 15 knots. We got knocked down had and had a brave soul on the leeward side knee deep in the water say the whole lifeline went under. at the main shrouds. But boat popped back up quite nicely. We doused main too as it looked to keep rising and sailed on jib in 20 knots last 4 miles in a rolling (waves from stern coming from both stern quarters) but comfortable sail.

due to a dispute with an unmarked dolphin (read log!) in a harbor entrance we are having a new rudder built with a little more elliptical design to replace the large square original. design should make steering easier yet.

thanks
07-16-2012 07:47 AM
dacap06
Re: How Does Your Islander Sail?

That's good information, Vagabond! Thanks for sharing.
07-16-2012 01:41 AM
Islander30Vagabond
Re: How Does Your Islander Sail?

I have a 1971 Islander 30 MKII, and am also puzzled by your need to reef early and also by your decision to scuttle the 155% headsail. I find that my boat is GREAT in heavy air. I always reef my main before changing headsails because that is where most of this boats power comes from. Typically I find myself starting to consider a reef at about 15 kts steady. at 22 kts my 155% comes down and my 130% goes up. At 30kts I go with my 115%. I also can generally maintain half of apparent wind speed untill the boat hits about 7 kts going to windward. I havent made an notes on speed at wind speed but I'll try to pay more attention to it. Although our boats are very similar I believe the Bahama had a slightly taller rig, also I have a fin keel those factors may be the reason that your boat is a little more tender than mine.
Happy Sails!
06-25-2012 10:25 PM
John Y. Jackson
Re: How Does Your Islander Sail?

I don't use a reefing hook. I have a line tied to a block near the back of the boom, it then goes up through the reef cringel on the back of the main, and back through the block, along the boom to a turning block on the mast, up to the cringel (eye) on the front of the main, back down to a block on the deck, and back to the cockpit. I think you can find a diagram if you look up slab oer jiffy reefing. If not let me know.

As far as I'm conerned, it is much easier to reef than to change jibs. Also, don't hesitate to lower the traveler, to the leeward, downwind side, but keep the main sheeted in. It is amazing how much it takes the heel out, and keeps you pointing well.

Best,

John Y. Jackson on Aquila
06-25-2012 07:33 PM
shogan50
Re: How Does Your Islander Sail?

That is interesting. I'm still pretty green and my 1975 30-2 isn't set up very conveniently for reefing, so I don't very often and experience pretty significant weather helm after about 12 knots, but frequently take it up to 18 with a 150 genoa and no reef in the main. With that, I don't see much consistently over about 6 knots except in uncommonly flat water and if I'm on a port tack, my knotmeter isn't in the water.

I'd love to see a photograph of a 30-2 or Bahama goose neck to see what the stock reefing hooks looked like. Mine doesn't have any.
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