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Topic Review (Newest First)
12-20-2001 08:29 AM
Jeff_H
Boat aging

One more point, I just bought an 18 year old boat that I expect to own for the 20 years or more.

Jeff
12-20-2001 08:27 AM
Jeff_H
Boat aging

I would not think that fiberglass has a life span per se. Neither concrete nor fiberglass truly breaks down or looses strength on their own. They require other causes. In the case of fiberglass loss of strength can result from one or more of the following,

-The surface resins will UV degrade.
-Prolonged saturation with water will effect the byproducts formed in the hardening process turning some into acids. These acids can break down the bond between the glass reinforcing and the resin.
-Fiberglass is prone to fatigue in areas repetitively loaded and unloaded at the point where it is repetitively deflected. High load concentration areas such as at bulkheads, hull/deck joints and keel joints are particularly prone.
-Salts suspended in water will move through some of the larger capillaries within the matrix. Salts have larger molecules than water. At some point these salts cannot move further and are deposited as the water keeps moving toward an area with lower moisture content. Once dried these salt turn into a crystalline form and exert great pressure on the adjacent matrix.
-Poor construction techniques with poorly handled cloth, poorly mixed or over accelerated resins, and poor resin to fiber ratios were very typical in early fiberglass boats. These weaker areas can be actually subjected to higher stresses that result from much heavier boats. Its not all that unusual to see small spider cracking and/or small fractures in early glass boats.
-Of course beyond the simple fiberglass degradation there is core deterioration, and the deterioration of such things as the plywood bulkheads and flats that form a part of the boat''s structure.

There are probably other forms of degradation that I have not thought of but I think that the real end of the life of a boat is going to be economic. In other words the cost to maintain and repair an old boat will get to be far beyond what it is worth in the marketplace. I would guess this was the end of more wooden boats than rot. I can give you a bit of an example from land structures. When I was doing my thesis in college, I came across a government statistic which if I remember it correctly suggested that in the years between 1948 and 1973 more houses had been built in America than in all of history before that time. In another study these houses were estimated to have a useful life span of 35 years or so. As an architect today I see a lot of thirty five year old houses that need new bathrooms, kitchens, heating systems, modern insulation, floor finishes, etc. But beyond the physical problems of these houses, tastes have changes so that today these houses in perfect shape still has proportionately small market value. With such a small market value it often does not make sense from a resale point of view to rebuild and these houses are therefore often sold for little more than land value. At some level, this drives me crazy, since we are tearing down perfectly solid structures that 35 years ago was perfectly adequate for the people who built it, but today does not meet the "modern" standards.

The same thing happens in boats. You may find a boat that has a perfectly sound hull. Perhaps an older boat might need to have some combination of the following items addressed:
∑ Sails, chainplates, standing and running rigging that are beyond their useful lifespan,
∑ an engine that is in need of rebuild or replacement,
∑ worn out or out of date deck, galley, and head hardware,
∑ worn out upholstery,
∑ electronics that are non-operational, or in need of updating,
∑ electrical and plumbing systems that need repairs, upgrades to modern standards or replacement,
∑ Blisters, glass fatigue, hull to deck joint or deck coring problems.
∑ Keel bolt replacement (bolt on keel) or delamination of the hull from the ballast (for a glassed in keel).
∑ And perhaps a whole range of aesthetic issues.

Pretty soon you can buy a much newer boat with all relatively new gear for less than you''d have in the old girl. Its not hard for an old boat to suddenly be worth much more as salvage than as a boat. A simple example was occurred a couple years ago when a couple friends of mine were given a Rainbow in reasonably good shape. She just needed sails and they wanted an outboard auxiliary, but even buying everything used the boat was worth a lot less than the cost of the "new" parts. When they couldn''t afford the slip fees, the Rainbow was disposed of. She now graces a landfill and the cast iron keel and rig was sold for scrap for more than they could sell the whole boat for.

Wooden boats represent the difference between a maintainable construction method versus low maintenance. A wooden boat can be rebuilt for a nearly infinite period of time until it becomes a sailing equivalent of ''George Washington''s axe'' (as in "that''s George Washinton''s axe. It''s had a few new handles and a few new heads but that is still George Washington''s axe".)That does not make it low maintenance. Fiberglass is intended to be low maintenance but it is far less rebuildable.

And finally, a suggestion, if you buy an old fiberglass boat, paint the bilges white. It does nothing for the boat, but if you ever have to sell the boat, a buyer may look in your bilge and say "Lets buy her because any man that would love a boat so much that he went through the trouble to paint the bilges white must have enjoyed this boat and taken great care of her no matter what her age."

Good Luck,
Jeff
12-20-2001 07:09 AM
ToeInTheWater
Boat aging

I''ve a question about typical life expectancy of fiberglass boats. My wife and I plan on purchasing a sailboat in about 3 years that we''d like to currently keep for sailing in the summer months and for full cruising/liveaboard for retirement (~15 years. We''ll be about 44 when we purchase). Being in the Northeast, the boat will be hauled each season.

Based on what I can afford (i.e. monthly payments, insurance, fees,taxes etc...) I''m probably looking at purchasing a boat that already is between 10 and 15 years old.

Will fiberglass hold up for this length of time assuming adequate maintenance/repair or is there a point at which a major re-coat must be considered?

Thanks in advance!!

 
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