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11-18-2012 04:45 PM
jackdale
Re: Garbage Island

The "stuff" seems to come from three sources:

Lost fishing gear
Garbage from various sources
Tsunami debris

That was my impression this summer.
11-17-2012 06:01 PM
vega1860
Re: Garbage Island

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Originally Posted by biology View Post
vega: the glassy seas, reflecting the sky, rolling in a way to make the mirrored clouds appear like they're in a fun-house.... just beautiful.
Yes, and it helps that Laura is pretty good with a camera.
11-16-2012 11:07 PM
biology
Re: Garbage Island

vega: the glassy seas, reflecting the sky, rolling in a way to make the mirrored clouds appear like they're in a fun-house.... just beautiful.
11-16-2012 07:44 PM
vega1860
Re: Garbage Island=what we saw, when and where.

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Originally Posted by casey1999 View Post
Thanks for the video. So what happened once you hit the zone of Tsunami trash?
Regards
Bigger chunks and more of it. We talked to other cruisers in Alaska who said they saw some of the things you have heard of - swamped boats, floating dock sections etc. We did not see anything like that.

Our YT channel consists mainly of the daily video logs from our trips so we will upload a day by day record of what we saw and did as we always do. Not trying to pimp my channel but I think this particular video is appropriate to the discussion and I think that is important.

There will be more videos featuring a lot of junk in the water but I won't post them here. People who want to see them know where to find them without me cluttering up sailnet with videos of us sailing through floating trash day after day. I think I have made my point.
11-16-2012 07:12 PM
casey1999
Re: Garbage Island=what we saw, when and where.

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Originally Posted by vega1860 View Post
This video shows what we saw between 8AM and 11AM on July 12th and where we were in relation to the gyre (Garbage patch) and the projected tsunami debris field.

Thanks for the video. So what happened once you hit the zone of Tsunami trash?
Regards
11-16-2012 04:04 PM
vega1860
Re: Garbage Island=what we saw, when and where.

This video shows what we saw between 8AM and 11AM on July 12th and where we were in relation to the gyre (Garbage patch) and the projected tsunami debris field.

11-14-2012 02:03 PM
casey1999
Re: Garbage Island

This is a truck load of the trash a few of us collected in a few hours time last spring on a remote windward beach on Oahu HI. A lot of the trash was fishing gear, stuff whales and props get tangled in. Most of this trash probably came from thousands of miles away, Hawaii snags a lot of the Pacific Gyre trash.
11-14-2012 06:09 AM
Minnewaska
Re: Garbage Island

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.......PS I've seen quite a few youtube videos of people on sailboats jettisoning broken roller-furlings, cables, stays, whatever... It's a different world on the ocean and I've never been presented with a situation where I have to decide to try to get that mangled bit on deck, or just cut it loose. I'd be interested to see what others have to say about that sort of thing on out on the open water.
I'll forgive anyone that dumps a dis-masted rig in the ocean as a matter of life or death.
11-13-2012 11:08 PM
biology
Re: Garbage Island

I've seen the garbage truck dudes chuck the recycling tub and trash bags into the same compactor.. makes ya wonder where your trash AND money are going.

Recycling is good... always has been good to recycle, but reducing use is huge. Anti-theft packaging is ridiculous. Make it too big to stuff in pockets and that leaves a whole lot of packaging. Just wait until the kids open all their christmas presents and check out the trash piled up on the curb for the next trash day... insane. '

And seriously folks... what's with all the water bottles? Bottled water sales are higher than ever and in some instances come from the same tap as the rest of the people in the community where the bottling center is. Yeah... it's not always special. Municipal water centers have high standards and your tap water is probably just dandy!! Same with your well water. Just buy a 1L nalgene bottle and refill it... will last you the rest of your life if you don't lose it. Kinda blows my mind to watch someone spend $1.49 for a 20oz bottle of water in the grocery store line when there's a water fountain on the way out. Don't even get me started on Vitamin water... geeze...

Yeah, the whole save the trees movement was interesting... I love trees.. I'm a biologist!! (mainly human-centric studies though) but I think people forget that trees are renewable. The logging companies plant more trees ya know!! I mean, they want to have more lumber 20 years from now! It's a business investment! Nothing wrong with asking for paper at the grocery store. I know.. the plastic ones make great trash bags for the bathroom though, but the paper ones stand up on their own so you don't need a plastic trash can... Yes, the rain forest argument. Actually that is usually not cleared for lumber but to increase farmland and what is taken out for lumber usually winds up in furniture or plywood. So ask where the lumber for your furniture comes from before buying!!

I think I've gone out on a tangent... Anyway.. interesting thread. It's been a good one to follow. btw, casey1999; I think what you do to help make the world around you tidy means everything. Could you imagine the impact if everyone did the same thing?

PS I've seen quite a few youtube videos of people on sailboats jettisoning broken roller-furlings, cables, stays, whatever... It's a different world on the ocean and I've never been presented with a situation where I have to decide to try to get that mangled bit on deck, or just cut it loose. I'd be interested to see what others have to say about that sort of thing on out on the open water.
11-13-2012 10:46 PM
ShoalFinder
Re: Garbage Island

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Originally Posted by casey1999 View Post
We still need to in someway make all plastic biodegrade in a shorter amount of time when exposed to UV or salt water or else the oceans will continue collect and holding the stuff.
Exactly right, but that's also the challenge in and of itself.

How to make a container biodegradable, but not allow the contents of container to degrade it. Even slow degredation will cause a change in flavor for beverages, etc. (real quality issue) Many bottles are meant for very long shelf lives, so the degredation is a serious problem.

The corn and starch based plastics look very promising. I don't know, but probably the solution to them will be a sprayed in coating that only lets them degrade from the outside, much like a soda can.
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