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01-27-2013 11:31 PM
canucksailorguy
Re: rammed:by the customs & border patrol

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Originally Posted by Jimmy E View Post
Almost got boarded once by the US Coast Gaurd. I say almost because on this specific day we were crossing Erie in a 26' Grampian / 4 knot winds / wing on wing, in following seas. We watched the Coast Gaurd travel back and forth for more than hour waiting for us to cross the border.....I am assuming they got board waiting, and eventually disappeared on the horizon.
There's a moral in here somewhere
Jimmy

There is - sail a faster boat...
01-25-2013 11:24 AM
Irideon
Re: rammed:by the customs & border patrol

I have done alot of boardings in a previous life and it is normal for the vessel being boarded to maintain a course and speed that is most safe for the crew of both vessels. If there are seas of any mention, coming to a full stop is not usually the best option.
01-17-2013 09:53 AM
bljones
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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
"What Uncle Sam is saying, when he calls Canada a "Safe haven for terrorists" is he doesn't want an example to how much more freedom and"
Nonsense. Unless Canada has tightened up the borders, the reference to it being a safe haven for terrorists comes from the way Canada would allow anyone to walk off a plane and say "I'm a refugee!" and then let them go off and disappear.
That's got nothing to do with weapons or human rights. Whether someone is or isn't a genuine refugee and in fear of their life, you don't just let a stranger in with no ID check and no way to see where they fall off the radar.
Here in the US, we make them swim or hike through the open spaces, so they have to sneak in. No easy airline trips right into the big city.
Which isn't a whole lot more impressive, is it?
Not a single successful terrorist attack on the United States has originated in Canada.
Not one.
For example, both WTC attacks, OKC, were perpetrated by US citizens or legal resident aliens. In fact, they received their training via the US military (McVeigh) and US flight schools (9/11 gang).



(Okay, there was also the would-be "millenium bomber", who didn't have much of a plan and even less English, who was promptly caught by US Customs at the border, who provided much of the information on Al Qaeda that the US intelligence services had until Sept., 2001, and didn't act on.)

yes, Canada has tightened it's immigration regs- it is not as easy to make a refugee claim as it was 10 years ago, in part thanks to the embarassment of the millenium bomber fiasco. More still needs to be done. It is a disgrace. We have our own terrorist black marks- the Air India bombing, which occurred in large part because our RCMP made numerous mistakes handling intel. That was the last major terrorist attack based in Canada...
and that was in 1985.


That doesn't change the fact that Canada is not a "terrorist threat" to the US.
Looking at recent experience, you are your own worst enemy, when it comes to accomodating and training terrorists.
01-17-2013 03:31 AM
benesailor
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"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin

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The US is a senile country undergoing decline. With enough money, you can "break" any law with in the US. It is always about the benjies......At least the poor people of the US are not even so stupid or deluded to believe otherwise.
Yes, the poor people of the US are that stupid and are the demise of this nation. They finally wield the power to run this country into the ground.
01-17-2013 02:47 AM
AKscooter
Re: rammed:by the customs & border patrol

The sheeps of US...funny how they link economics and freedom......If you want economic power gotta sacrifice your freedom....ya 'bout that...bite me.....

As far as I am concerned the only reason for the increased police state tactics of the US is only about money...economics....simple as that......If you cannot see that in order to justify their existence they need to hassle even those who in spirit try and follow the law get screwed. Papers/blogs are full of stories of where the po po exceed their authorized duties. Now that the legislative branch of the government has given broader non-constituitional power (backed by the supremes who think corporations are people) well...guess what??? Peeps are gonna start to make waves and become "terrorists" You want to know how easy it is to get on the "no fly" list?? For oppositional/difference of opinion reasons only??
America is only about the money, has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with any ideal other than economic supremacy. So yes, the C.G. is gonna stop Joe under 40 footer riding the waves but I have yet to see them stop anybody bigger than a 50 footer......

The US is a senile country undergoing decline. With enough money, you can "break" any law with in the US. It is always about the benjies......At least the poor people of the US are not even so stupid or deluded to believe otherwise.
01-16-2013 09:09 PM
Minnewaska
Re: rammed:by the customs & border patrol

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Originally Posted by Brent Swain View Post
The 911 terrorists didn't need Canada
That's not the point and you know it. You claimed to be freer than the US, but you have your own cross to bear in harboring terrorists as the result of your freedoms.

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What Uncle Sam is saying, when he calls Canada a "Safe haven for terrorists"
Evidence of your cynical and biased attitude. It was your officials that were condemning your system in the interviews, not the publisher.
01-16-2013 06:35 PM
Brent Swain
Re: rammed:by the customs & border patrol

Just like the US we have a lot of people gullible enough to buy the misinformation campaigns .You're an example of that. Public health care is dependent on public support. They wouldn't spend mega bucks on advertising if it didn't work.
Go change your diapers.
01-16-2013 06:22 PM
hellosailor
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So some nebulous claims about media and advertising and patent rights become an attack on your helathcare system? Um, no, Canadians include some big boys who can make up their own minds. And the major Canadian pharmaceutical houses can make all the drugs you need. Patent laws treat everyone the same, if you don't like the prices you have to pay for drugs owned by US pharmacies, either withdraw from the patent conventions, or spend your own money on other drugs. That's what everyone else has to do, that's not "undermining" anything in Canada.
Undermining would mean our government was literally attacking your healthcare system. that's what you said, that we're spending money on destroying your system. We could do that, we could easily send in people to set fire to your clinics, or buy out all the drugs from the pharmacy shelves. That would be undermining.
But complaining about international licensing terms and advertising? Put on the bigboy pants.
01-16-2013 05:47 PM
Brent Swain
Re: rammed:by the customs & border patrol

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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
The US is spending gobs of money to undermine the Canadian helath system? Oh boy, do enlighten us! Don't start till I get my popcorn.
When Clinton tried to give you health care, a steady stream of ******** disinformation and anti public health care propaganda was put put out by your media, crossing the border in US media programing. They still fund advertising against the maintenance of our public health care system, with well paid for disinformation campaigns, and insisted on the extension of drug patent laws as a pre condition of NAFTA, which continue to undermine the affordability of our public health care system.
01-16-2013 05:36 PM
hellosailor
Re: rammed:by the customs & border patrol

The US is spending gobs of money to undermine the Canadian helath system? Oh boy, do enlighten us! Don't start till I get my popcorn.
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