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12-06-2012 06:02 PM
chucklesR
Re: Honda Guy Here...

Greg,

Not to run away with the thread -
Just take a 45lb thrust trolling motor, rip the head off and put a weed whacker/leafblow/chain saw motor on it, done. It doesn't even need to have the crank shaft connected to the drive.

At no point did you say it actually had to work and move the boat.

I get a hour of run time with my leafblower's motor at full throttle.
12-06-2012 04:09 PM
Stumble
Re: Honda Guy Here...

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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
Stumble, at those prices I'll have to start visiting third world countries looking for old two-strokes, shipping them to the Khyber Pass for rebuilds (hey, good machinists are hard to find) and then reimporting them to the US.

Of course, you realize that a thousand dollars doesn't buy much titanium, or even one hour on a really light high-compression racing engine. :-)
Hello,

There is real profit to be had in very small lightweight engines. You can import used ones, just not new ones for sale, so yes there is profit in it. Find one of the old seagull 1hp 12lbs engines and you could start a bidding war on sailinganarchy over it. If they work even better, but just having them is the key. Or take a few to some small boat regattas, and you could easily get 800-1000 each, the lighter the more valuable.

The problem is anything 5hp or bigger is going to be the same weight as a new 4stroke, so it's not worth the bother. But the small smokey, won't crank, things people used to throw away are now worth a mint. Just call the local engine shop and ask them if they have any, any where there is a sailing scene there is a waiting list 20 boats long looking for them.



Robert,

The engine I bought was 18lbs. I have no idea how much fuel it carries because I have never put gass into it. The racing rules require me to have an engine onboard, and demonstrate it works when required, they do not require me to carry any fuel onboard (we have 1 cup of gas in the engine for rules requirements that it starts). This is a problem faced by thousands of racers in the US where new two strokes can't be sold.

The EPA rules are driving people to using weed eaters with props on them, 45lb trolling motors, and all sorts of other weird stuff. It isn't just the weight on the boat, it is the problem of taking it off the boat and storing below before every race that is the problem. Pulling motors off the back is a good way to drop them overboard....
12-06-2012 11:22 AM
hellosailor
Re: Honda Guy Here...

Stumble, at those prices I'll have to start visiting third world countries looking for old two-strokes, shipping them to the Khyber Pass for rebuilds (hey, good machinists are hard to find) and then reimporting them to the US.

Of course, you realize that a thousand dollars doesn't buy much titanium, or even one hour on a really light high-compression racing engine. :-)
12-06-2012 09:56 AM
chucklesR
Re: Honda Guy Here...

A sub 20 lb engine



Heck, get three or four.
12-06-2012 09:41 AM
robert@hm
Re: Honda Guy Here...

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Originally Posted by bnaylor View Post
Robert: Re: "The jet is pretty easy to replace in most smaller outboards. I could post the procedure for the BF5 if needed." ... Yes, please, that would be helpful.
Okay, here you go...BF5 carb jet service, and jet table...

FYI, I had to make these as .JPG files, since sailnet.com doesn't appear to allow .PDF files. If these images aren't clear enough, send me a PM with your email and I'll email you the .PDF files direct.
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robert@hm (Honda Marine)
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.
12-06-2012 09:32 AM
robert@hm
Re: Honda Guy Here...

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Originally Posted by Stumble View Post
Have you guys given any thought to making a small (2.5hp or smaller) high thrust outboards?
[snip]
...would it be possible to bring a very small outboard to market? Say 1hp. Most racers want the lightest outboard we can find
[snip]
There is a pretty big market for a sub 20lb motor, regardless of price, or hp rating just to hit rules requirements.
How about a high thrust prop on a Honda BF2.3? It clocks in at 29.5 lbs. dry, and with 0.29 gallon of fuel, that would be about 31.3 lbs. Now that's with the OEM plastic prop.

While the standard answer to any new product idea is the company is always looking at new concepts, etc., it's obvious there has to be a good business case for any investment. A lot of factors come into play; in the USA market, the biggest and most profitable products tend to focus on giant marine engines > 200 hp. No doubt if sailing (kicker motors) was as popular as bass fishing, there would be a slew of lightweight outboards.

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robert@hm (Honda Marine)
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.
12-06-2012 09:12 AM
robert@hm
Re: Honda Guy Here...

Quote:
Originally Posted by bnaylor View Post
Robert: Re: "The jet is pretty easy to replace in most smaller outboards. I could post the procedure for the BF5 if needed." ... Yes, please, that would be helpful.
I need to get my "post count" up a bit before I'm allowed to post attachments, so hang on....

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robert@hm (Honda Marine)
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.
12-06-2012 09:11 AM
robert@hm
Re: Honda Guy Here...

Quote:
Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
...someone at Honda ought to be able to make a nice one cubic inch titanium alloy engine that you could easily get two hp from.
Honda is no stranger to racing, but to my knowledge, has not been involved in anything on the water.

As with any major supplier to a racing effort, the payoff is in exposure and branding to consumers, and technical/performance lessons inherent in competition that can be turned into sales, a.k.a., "race on Sunday, sell on Monday."

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robert@hm (Honda Marine)
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.
12-06-2012 03:06 AM
Stumble
Re: Honda Guy Here...

Hello,

I paid $1,000 for a 1985 two stroke engine last year because it was 25lbs lighter than the 3hp tohatsu engine I had. I know a number of people that have flown to the Carribean just to buy 2 stroke engines because they are roughly half the weight of the lightest weight engine available in the US.
12-06-2012 01:06 AM
bnaylor
Honda Guy Here...

Robert: Re: "The jet is pretty easy to replace in most smaller outboards. I could post the procedure for the BF5 if needed." ... Yes, please, that would be helpful. Avgas is solving the problem for now; but I would be willing to try the larger jets for sure!

Thanks. And thanks to the other posters, too - lots if good information here.

- Bob
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