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12-16-2012 05:27 AM
knuterikt
Re: A picture is worth a thousand words!

Quote:
Originally Posted by L124C View Post
Very true. However, I made an example diagram in the Paint program, but couldn't upload it to the thread because it's a incompatible file type. Tried as a PDF and that didn't work either. Whats the best way to do it?
12-16-2012 04:36 AM
L124C
A picture is worth a thousand words!

Quote:
Originally Posted by rgscpat View Post
In figuring out racing rules problems, sketches showing the relative positions and distances of boats and marks can be an enormous help.
Very true. However, I made an example diagram in the Paint program, but couldn't upload it to the thread because it's a incompatible file type. Tried as a PDF and that didn't work either. Whats the best way to do it?
12-14-2012 04:16 AM
rgscpat
Re: Silly question...

In figuring out racing rules problems, sketches showing the relative positions and distances of boats and marks can be an enormous help.
12-06-2012 08:41 AM
Jimmy E
Re: Silly question...

L124C.....point taken , and with my 20/20 hindsight , I fully agree.
Is the title" new guy getting schooled by the old boys, one race at a time, but still hanging in there, even though the Admiral is asking too many questions while he figures it out on the fly, avoiding collisions , but still trying to improve his times, while the aforementioned old boys take turns playing with him like a cat chasing a spot light?"
I'll do better next time , thanks
Jimmy
12-05-2012 02:50 PM
L124C
Re: Silly question...

No such thing as a "Silly Question", especially when it comes to the confusing, complex rules of racing. However, there are silly, nondescript titles that give the reader no idea what your thread is about, or if it interests them. Your's is a prime example.
How about "racing rules" "rounding rights". Please, give me a hint!
12-04-2012 12:40 AM
paulk
Re: Silly question...

Fuzzy details on the setup here. We don't know how big the boats are, and it appears that you were rounding a windward mark to starboard. Your description of not being able to tack for the mark for fear of getting hit makes it sound like though you may have been clear ahead of the other boat by 15', you were to leeward of him. Your understanding of "giving two boat lengths if we are overlapped" is incorrect. The Racing Rules of Sailing are the same everywhere, worldwide, and are available on the ISAF and USSailing websites. Read rule 18. It states essentially that when two boats are overlapped at a point THREE boatlengths from the mark, the INSIDE boat is entitled to enough room to get around the mark. It sounds like you must have been the outside boat in this situation, but we don't know how far away either boat was from the mark. If you had wanted to tack, you could have, but you would have needed to duck the stern of the other boat in order to avoid any Port/Starboard issues. Race committees often try to make sure marks are left to port, rather than starboard, to avoid the problem you encountered: boats on the layline on port tack being disrupted by others approaching on starboard.
12-04-2012 12:29 AM
Jimmy E
Re: Silly question...

Thanks for the insight... I guess a have a little reading to do this winter.
Jimmy
12-03-2012 09:28 PM
allene222
Re: Silly question...

I say if you are not overlapped when you enter the 3 boat length then you do not have to give room for the boat behind you to round the mark. Some things were said above that are not correct. It is when the first boat enters the 3 boat length zone that the presence of overlap is determined (18.2b). Also, you do not have to stay clear of the boat behind you when tacking as you would normally have to do (18.5b). But be careful, if you are starting your tack as you enter the 3 boat length zone, you might create an overlap. The other boat is overlapped with you if she is forward of a line abeam of your stern. That line moves a lot when you change course so it really depends on the details of your heading when you hit the 3 boat length zone.

The rule book is 153 pages long. I copied the sections on when boats meet and the important definitions and it takes up about 5 pages. Those 5 pages answer most of these kind of questions.

When boats meet.
12-02-2012 09:05 PM
Jimmy E
Re: Silly question...

Faster....that does sum it up. I'm that situation do I simply hold my course , waiting for the boat behind me to start his tack and follow suit?

On that day I just couldn't point any higher( without loosing speed) to get directly in front him

Thanks
Jimmy
12-02-2012 08:20 PM
Faster
Re: Silly question...

Sounds like you weren't the 'inside' boat.. If you were clear ahead on the same course and heading you should be able to tack clear anytime you like.. this sounds like if you'd tacked he was likely to nail you before you finished and scooted out of the way.

Sounds like 'tacking too close' to me, esp since you'd be putting yourself on port tack at the same time...

At the same time you should have the expectation of his tacking as soon as possible for the mark, ie I don't think he could continue to sail on just to keep you from making your rounding.

Caveat: It's been a while and I'm probably not current on the rules these days...
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