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12-07-2012 06:47 PM
TerralTheSeeker
Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

Okay - I DID IT!!! FINALLY, FER CRYIN' OUT LOUD!

I now have the heave-to maneuver under my belt. It was easy, now that I'm following proper instructions.

It was crazy windy, overcast, and rough out today on Pensacola Bay, so 'twas perfect for practicing.

Didn't have time to practice MOB cuz it just got way too gnarly and had to motor back in by 2:00pm.

Thanks to everyone who cleared things up for me.
12-06-2012 10:52 AM
MarkofSeaLife
Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

Well, if I went in I'd be swimming like hell after the boat. Especially if it stopped a few hundred meters in front of me. I'd be in contention for an Olympic record.
12-06-2012 10:39 AM
TerralTheSeeker
Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkofSeaLife View Post
Just stop the boat!
Chances are the MOB will have swum up to you before you've opened the swim platform.
I can imagine myself having finally gotten around to where the victim fell in, only to hear the click of a beer can being opened behind me, the mob having already chased me down, climbed on board, and gotten into the cooler for a refreshment.

"Dude, let me know when you've rescued me. I'll be over here relaxing."
12-05-2012 11:02 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

AdamL put up a great video of a boat with an asym up in 28 knots of breeze - going back to snag the skip. Gives you a sense of what it takes...

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/genera...-recovery.html
12-05-2012 10:37 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

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Originally Posted by GeorgeB View Post
So how do you guys do MOB recovery while flying a spinnaker? You would need to hoist the jib betfor you would attempt to do a Mexican takedown.
Dude, it's simple, you do a Tibetan Douse followed by a quick Eskimo Roll Tack. Badaboom. Done.
12-05-2012 09:07 PM
GeorgeB
Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

Mark, as they say… “Pics or it didn’t happen” I would love to see the Utube of you practicing a headstay wrap. Just about every time I wrap, I’m dropping off the kite at my sailmaker on the way home. I’m not sure I would attempt doing such a maneuver up here in Norcal’s notorious breezes or down in the trades. That round-up would result in a broach every time on the sleds I race on. Best I can do is a Samurai take down and sail back upwind to the MOB. I actually had to do this maneuver to qualify as helmsman on one of the boats I race on. I am proud to say if you are going to fall off a boat, do it on one that I’m helming. I will get to you (Did it three times in a row in practice). The most important thing I learned on the subject was from “Chef” in the Apocalypse Now – “Never get off the effing boat!”
12-05-2012 08:35 PM
MarkofSeaLife
Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
"Stop the boat."
Mark, that's usually impossible while you're flying a chute. In order to do a MOB recovery while flying the chute, you have to do a high speed pickup.

Blowing the chute, stopping the boat, all fine concepts but then you are no longer flying the chute. I mean, I've seen all sorts on interesting theatre with a chute, but I've never seen someone stop a boat while stilll flying it. (WEG)
Well think about it. Your on the helm flying a chute. Your lover goes over the side. Upwind. So what's the easiest, quickest thing to do? Spin the wheel and get the boat directly upwind. The spinnaker backs. Boat speed has taken you half way to the MOB. You get the engine on. Clear lines. MOB has probably swum have the remaining distance. Motor up to MOB. kite still wrapped. pick up MOB and then sort out Kite.

Look, the concept sounded pretty stupid to me when I was first told it 12 pr 13 years ago. But after thinking about it, and practicing it, it gets to be a better and better idea, to me. If you want to do it another way, so be it. But in dousing a kite you have to take your eyes off the MOB. Spinning up to Wind you don't. by the time the kite is on board how far are you down course? Five hundred meters? Well look for a bobbing head at 500 meters.

Have a ponder on it for a day or two and see what you think
12-05-2012 08:26 PM
hellosailor
Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

"Stop the boat."
Mark, that's usually impossible while you're flying a chute. In order to do a MOB recovery while flying the chute, you have to do a high speed pickup.

Blowing the chute, stopping the boat, all fine concepts but then you are no longer flying the chute. I mean, I've seen all sorts on interesting theatre with a chute, but I've never seen someone stop a boat while stilll flying it. (WEG)
12-05-2012 08:16 PM
MarkofSeaLife
Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeB View Post
So how do you guys do MOB recovery while flying a spinnaker? You would need to hoist the jib betfor you would attempt to do a Mexican takedown.
Stop the boat.

If that means wrapping the kite around the mast do so. The life if much more valuable.

It's even easier on a dead run because when you turn up to wind the boat will stop quickly.
Then check for lines in the water and motor back to the. MOB.
12-05-2012 08:14 PM
hellosailor
Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

"So how do you guys do MOB recovery while flying a spinnaker? "
What, you've never seen a SEAL team do a high speed recovery from a RIB? You zoom past the MOB while extending a line or ring, they get one chance to grab ahold and swing up. If they miss it, they can swim home.
Good enough for gummint work, right? :-)
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